So when are people gonna start talking about Zach Hyman?

[FriendlyGhost92]

Dubas management.

 

[Killer Orcas]

I thought Marner was one of the best playmakers in the league, and Matthews is better than McDavid, or so I've heard here on HFboards.

Marner is good play maker for sure but yes I can smile reading your comment. Good luck in playoffs look forward to an exciting final. Two teams that earned it and both should put on a show.

 

[Warh1ppy]

Laughs in Rask for Raycroft

 

[Legion34]

Shouldn’t the real story be that Hyman is now playing the team who drafted him and he left?

What does Toronto have to do with a UFA who chose to leave for more money like 3 years ago?

 

[NotASheep]

Who knew he'd become a better player than Matthews.

Leaf fans will be in touch shortly to correct your statement

 

[BertCorbeau]

Lots of good coverage in the reasons here but also it's worth noting that the Leafs were quite close in their offer to Hyman - something like $500k less and a year or 2 less in term.

Hyman chose to secure himself financially. Mind you after seeing what the big 4 got on their contracts, why wouldn't he try to get his.

He's done amazing in shoring up his scoring touch but he doesn't hit these offensive totals with the Leafs.

 

[steveky]

We needed the cap space to sign Mark Giordano 3.375 and Petr Mrazek to 3.8 mil, much better use of money lol

 

[tfwnogf]

Who would have guessed High Man would be the one to potentially break the playoff goal record and pot 50+ in the regular season. Aside from his incredibly wealthy father, of course.

 

[DueDiligence]

Zach Hyman has 14 goals and is by far the leading goal scorer in the Stanley Cup. He makes $5.5M per year, a complete bargain that the Leafs didn't want to pay. Unfathomable that the Leafs couldn't pay him that pittance of a salary.

How did the Leafs mismanage the Hyman situation so badly?? I know the guy that made the blunder to let him walk was let go, but my God what a team the Leafs could of had if they kept Hyman and other talented guys they just let go or traded. To make matters worse Hyman is a total beast defensively and is playing more like a $10M+ player. Just shocking mismanagement.

Discuss.

Why do the Leafs need Hyman when they already have a playoff beast in Marner that only makes double what Hyman makes?

 

[BurnabyJoe7]

Next question

Is that Marner or Matthews' stats?

 

[Kerberos]

Hyman was also playing injured during most of his playoff runs with the Leafs. Never got to see what he was fully capable of there.

His improved finishing ability which has mainly stemmed from learning how to elevate the puck certainly helps but playing with a playoff choker like Matthews who is a below average distributor of the puck and mainly relies on finding open space also was a limiting factor for Zach during his time in Toronto too. Just one of many reasons why the environment in Toronto wasn't conducive for Zach unlocking his full potential.

 

[DueDiligence]

Next question

Over that same period Hyman scored as many goals in the playoffs as Marner. What's your point?

 

[HockeyVirus]

Is that Marner or Matthews' stats?

Funny you mention this, because no one thought Hyman or Kadri were playoff performers when they were here. The same folks laughing at the Leafs for moving off of guys who didn't get it done are also saying they need to move off of superstars who haven't gotten it done.

Facts are, sometimes guys need a change to hit their potential.

 

[Craig Button]

They had too much money invested in their big 4 and didn't want to pay Hyman what he wanted.

They had money to sign him.

He chose McDavid over Matthews

 

[HockeyVirus]

Over that same period Hyman scored as many goals in the playoffs as Marner. What's your point?

That they couldn't commit more cap to forwards who didn't produce in the playoffs. You aren't trying to say you thought the Leafs should move a 23 year old Marner to keep a 29 year old Hyman right? Because no one believes you

 

[AvroArrow]

Also should be noted, these boards clowned us when we said Hyman should be playing for Team Canada, the entire board mocked us for it

They had money to sign him.

He chose McDavid over Matthews

He wasn't offered a contract, he wanted to stay in Toronto, he said it himself. Weird post.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Also should be noted, these boards clowned us when we said Hyman should be playing for Team Canada, the entire board mocked us for it


He wasn't offered a contract, he wanted to stay in Toronto, he said it himself. Weird post.

Yup same folks who clowned on us for saying he is awesome now say they knew it all along and we hated him.

This thread is a reminder of why I take summers off this site.

 

[DueDiligence]

That they couldn't commit more cap to forwards who didn't produce in the playoffs. You aren't trying to say you thought the Leafs should move a 23 year old Marner to keep a 29 year old Hyman right? Because no one believes you

You threw up stats to justify why the Leafs didn't keep Hyman and I just pointed out that Marner did no better. Based on that premise the Leafs should have dumped a few of their stars along the way as well.

 

[belair]

They couldn’t afford Hyman or Kadri after paying all their stars.

They could've afforded both if they kept the powder dry instead of signing Tavares that one year.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Evidently in hindsight it was a mistake, that being said there are many factors you left out. 1 being that his growth after leaving is very un linear to the rest of his career and that when he was signed for 5.5x7 it was widely regarded as an overpayment.

Also for the record pretty much every Leafs fan wanted him back.

Pretty much came here to say this- I wasn’t a huge Hyman fan, people thought his existing production was because of Matthews and Marner and he wasn’t that good- he’s improved as a player, fits the role perfectly, and plays with more confidence now.

Some similarities to when Habs "threw in" LeClair with Desjardins to Philly... and LeClair went on to be a prolific scorer with Lindros.

Hyman has the same luck, playing with an exceptional player to bolster his stats as such he would never achieve otherwise.

I think that downplays how much he’s improved and how important chemistry is. No one else has come close to playing this well with McD, it’s not just a minor bump in stats. Solid overall player, and a fantastic finisher. He’s lucky to have ended up there, but he’s made the most of it through talent and improvement.

IMO the question isn’t “why did the leafs let him walk?”, because that made sense at the time. The question is more “how did Matthews and Marner feel about Hyman? Did they request the GM bring him back? Or did they let a really eager hardworking dude go get tutelage under McD and Drai and just toast their supposed leadership?”

 

[TS Quint]

When you play with McDavid he makes you look better than you are.

When you play with Matthews it's all about Matthews.

This is why McDavid is worth his contract and Matthews contract is a massive overpay.

 

[HockeyVirus]

You threw up stats to justify why the Leafs didn't keep Hyman and I just pointed out that Marner did no better. Based on that premise the Leafs should have dumped a few of their stars along the way as well.

And you are trying to say a 23 year old superstar is the same as a 29 year old who never scored more than 60 points

 

[FerrisRox]

My favorite part of Hyman signing with Edmonton was Dubas trying to play hardball with Edmonton to get a better pick for Hyman's rights, then he ended up getting nothing.

The best part is this: Go back to the thread about the Oilers signing Hyman, there are several Leaf fans championing Dubas' getting nothing - as if it was a masterclass in GMing - because he didn't "cave" for a lousy draft pick and the Oilers "got screwed" having to pay more because they didn't have an eighth year to offer.

I'm not making this up - go back and look - it's hilarious.

 

[robertmac43]

Lots of us loved Hyman and still do. But come one, even his biggest fans didn't see this level of scoring coming.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

It's pretty obvious.

It is to me.

It's called holy shit hindsight.

Hyman is a freakin' legend, a mythical creature.

Let's go back and think about it..............

Did ANYONE see this coming? 50 goals? Playoff scoring machine?

We knew he was a hard working hard grinding player but come on!

Very happy for the guy. He should be making double.