Slafkovski reminds me of Pulju

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"My prediction is right!"

"No, mine is!"

Who the f*** cares? This thread is an obvious attempt to troll Habs fans.

See you at the end of the 2024/25 season. We can have a discussion then.
The 1st overall pick of 2022, had a horrendous rookie season and might even be having a worse sophomore season. Why can't we discuss this ?

5 points in 18 games. These are legitimate Nail Yakupov type of numbers, it should be concerning. Montreals in the bottom once again, they drafted 1st overall and 5th overall and it seems to have made no difference.

Maybe he goes on a tear to the end the year ? We don't know. But as of right now, it's not looking pretty. You need more than 5 points from your #1 overall pick. We can discuss again at the end of next year for sure, as of this moment though he looks like a huge disappointment.

Put me on record that this kid is going to be a beast by 25. He's a teenager and shows glimpses of his talent more and more often.

He likely never reaches the lofty point totals of other first overalls, but I think people need to get past that. Not all draft years have a superstar, it is what it is - but it doesn't mean that his only outcomes are superstar or bust.

Which draft year never had a superstar ? lol

Forwards who've gone 1st overall in the cap era

Ovechkin
Crosby
Kane
Stamkos
Tavares
Hall
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I didn't assume that. I said not every draft has a superstar. More to the point, not every draft has a clear cut superstar at number 1.

Still, the point of my post was that even if he doesn't become a superstar he can and is showing signs of being a very good player.
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This is factually not true and tells me you aren't watching any games. He's far, far better than he was last season.
This sounds like the same Hans fans who said he “looked good” last season as well.

Fans will see one single good play and say “look! He’s improving!”.

He’s looked brutal out there.
 

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This sounds like the same Hans fans who said he “looked good” last season as well.

Fans will see one single good play and say “look! He’s improving!”.

He’s looked brutal out there.
Looking good last season and looking even better this season is not mutually exclusive. He’s progressing well. Not as quick and dramatically as a typically 1OA but he’s trending well.

He was always touted as a long term project and won’t meet traditional 1OA expectations any time soon. The goal is continued progression. He’s been playing very well.
 
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You have to be biased or just not very good at watching hockey if you think he ‘’looks even worse this season’’

He is definitely improving at a pretty fast pace.
The number one knock against Slaf forever has been his hockey IQ. That's still a problem for him. So definitely not "ALL of that" is false.
 
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Looking good last season and looking even better this season is not mutually exclusive. He’s progressing well. Not as quick and dramatically as a typically 1OA but he’s trending well.

He was always touted as a long term project and won’t meet traditional 1OA expectations any time soon. The goal is continued progression. He’s been playing very well.
Trending well, continued progression? All I see is stagnation.

Or is this because he just had a 2 point game?
 
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The 1st overall pick of 2022, had a horrendous rookie season and might even be having a worse sophomore season. Why can't we discuss this ?

Do tell! How is he having a worse season? Nevermind....I know your argument already. Ill just take a look at the stats myself.

Maybe he goes on a tear to the end the year ? We don't know. But as of right now, it's not looking pretty. You need more than 5 points from your #1 overall pick. We can discuss again at the end of next year for sure, as of this moment though he looks like a huge disappointment.

But is he though? Is he a giant disappointment to you? Are you a Habs fan? Are you disappointed in him?

Me....a Habs fan. I am not disappointed in the slightest.

What an absolute joke of a post.
 
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7 of his 11 points are goals, is Panarin putting it in the net for him?
No, but Panarin is putting it on his stick. 5/7 of his goals have been assisted by Panarin, who is on a 140+ point pace. I guess in your mind it's more likely that Lafreniere has suddenly become a superstar, rather than benefitting from playing on a line with one.
 

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Do tell! How is he having a worse season? Nevermind....I know your argument already. Ill just take a look at the stats myself.



But is he though? Is he a giant disappointment to you? Are you a Habs fan? Are you disappointed in him?

Me....a Habs fan. I am not disappointed in the slightest.

What an absolute joke of a post.
You're not disappointed that your 1st overall pick has only 5 points in 18 games in his second year ? Standards must be really low in Montreal right now.

The guys outside the top 300 scoring leaders, lol but sure cope harder. Ben Chiarot has more points than Slaf but go on.
 

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He looks even worse this season somehow.

This is just plainly and simply false.

It's impossible to believe that anybody who watched him play even five games last season versus five games this season could arrive at this conclusion.

He is way more physically engaged, way more involved offensively, is getting way more looks and is making better decisions with and without the puck that he did last year. That's just plainly obvious to anyone watching.

How many games have you watched him play?

You're not disappointed that your 1st overall pick has only 5 points in 18 games in his second year ? Standards must be really low in Montreal right now.

The guys outside the top 300 scoring leaders, lol but sure cope harder. Ben Chiarot has more points than Slaf but go on.

Even for you, this is bad.
 

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Even for you, this is bad.


When 5 points in 18 games and being outside the top 300 as a 1st overall is something to be proud of, you know the franchise is in a very bad stat. Oof

Care to explain how he's having a good, or even a respectable season ? Or how he has shown any signs of progress ? I literally thought he was scratched the last time our teams played each other, guy was invisible.
 

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My only disappointment is that we didn't luck out in 2022 with a draft like 2023 or 2015. I have watched all but one of the Habs games this year, and I am not disappointed in Slaf in the slightest and I am excited for his future. Ill let you know in a couple of years if I am disappointed.

Speaking of disappointment and cope.

Are you disappointed with your Leafs for anything?

If the answer is no.....how do you cope with not winning a Stanley Cup in 56 years?

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My only disappointment is that we didn't luck out in 2022 with a draft like 2023 or 2015. I have watched all but one of the Habs games this year, and I am not disappointed in Slaf in the slightest and I am excited for his future. Ill let you know in a couple of years if I am disappointed.

Speaking of disappointment and cope.

Are you disappointed with your Leafs for anything?

If the answer is no.....how do you cope with not winning a Stanley Cup in 56 years?

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The mighty leafs got a first overall superstar 100 point guy and 8 years later they are still a laughing stock league wide :laugh::laugh:the definition of throwing stones from a glass house:laugh::laugh: There's like 20 organizations that can chirp the habs rightfully so but the laughs certainly aint one of them lol.

Even their fans know it too the dude is just trolling I mean they got embarrassed by a AHL team in the post season you cant blame the guy for having hatred in his heart
 
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This is factually not true and tells me you aren't watching any games. He's far, far better than he was last season.
The poster you are quoting wont engage in an honest discussion.

Your idea of breaking down players skillsets is claiming one is better, based on absolutely nothing.

You claimed Puljujärvi has a great motor, skates like a wind and an awesome shot, now you’re claiming Slaf has a ”way superior shot” and it’s not even close and way way better motor than ”great motor” while Pulju is slow etc.

If he had way superior shot than ”awesome shot” and way way better motor than he would also be noticeably better player, but he is not.

You claimed Puljujärvi dominated WJC and now you’re claiming he rode shotgun to Aho and Laine.

On may 14th 2020 you claimed Puljujärvi ”Absolutely does have” upside to be a top line player”

This is why nobody should take your claims of ”40 years of experince” and ”superior eye for talent” seriously, because you’ve been wrong way more times than you’ve been right.
Been right far more than I have been wrong thanks. You can cherry pick posts but I have a long track record to look back on. You also skipped over the fact you likely had the same opinion of Puljujarvi.
 

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No, but Panarin is putting it on his stick. 5/7 of his goals have been assisted by Panarin, who is on a 140+ point pace. I guess in your mind it's more likely that Lafreniere has suddenly become a superstar, rather than benefitting from playing on a line with one.
Quote where I said superstar. I’ll wait.
 

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Trending well, continued progression? All I see is stagnation.

Or is this because he just had a 2 point game?
Look man, it's clear you won't be convinced, but he's far better than he was last year in several areas of the game. Here are very quick areas of the game where he's improved:

- Far stronger on board battles.
- Less likely to be rocked by big hit due to a big adjustment to the speed of the game
- Much better passing in transition and off the rush. I would say he's very good in this area where as last year a lot of his passes would get picked off.
- He's been setting up teammates at a much more consistent and frequent rate than he was last year.
- Recently he's been driving the net more often
- He's improved his puck carrying ability. Last year he'd often get stopped fairly easier by defenders. This year he's easily able to gain the zone and begin the offense play
- He's not passive in creating offense. In several games he's often at the root of offense creation and is getting better at it game by game. He's very noticeable in this regard
- he is getting WAY, WAY, WAY more puck touches

You are likely to come back and say this is not good enough for a 1OA, but Slafkovsky has always been advertised as a project. He will not meet the expectatins of a 1OA right now, but his game IS getting better and anyone not wanting to be right on the internet will see it.

Is it good enough? It depends on your expectations. For me, an overall trend of progression is important. You don't want to see stagnation or regression. All players will have bad games, but you have to look at the aggregate. Compared to last season, Slaf has vastly improved. Heck even compared to pre-season he's vastly improved. He's slowly getting there.
 

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The mighty leafs got a first overall superstar 100 point guy and 8 years later they are still a laughing stock league wide :laugh::laugh:the definition of throwing stones from a glass house:laugh::laugh: There's like 20 organizations that can chirp the habs rightfully so but the laughs certainly aint one of them lol.

Even their fans know it too the dude is just trolling I mean they got embarrassed by a AHL team in the post season you cant blame the guy for having hatred in his heart
Man you love talking about the Leafs but start crying the moment your team or players are critiqued. You're more than welcome to jump in another Matthews or Leafs thread if you want to discuss that, but try staying on topic here.

I'm sorry that Slaf looks like a massive disappointment, but deflecting and projecting that towards another fan base doesn't help. It rather just highlights how concerning it really is. Leafs are fine, but Habs are still among the worst teams in the league after drafting 3rd, 1st, and now recently 5th overall. There should be concern but I mean if you guys are happy with the production you've gotten out of Slaf then good for you I guess ?

It's just bizarre to outside fans that 5 points in 18 games, in a sophomore season for a 1st overall forward is apparently something to be happy with. He looks invisible in the few games I have seen season and the stats seem to back that up. Pulju seems like a good comparison, bigger guys that physically matured much earlier than their peers, resulting in them dominating. Lawson Crouse and Dylan Strome also had the same sort of thing in their draft years, although both guys look like respectable NHLers now.

But sure I mean, the guys outside the top 300 scorers and the Habs are once again looking like a lottery team, but yeah looks good!
 
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Man you love talking about the Leafs but start crying the moment your team or players are critiqued. You're more than welcome to jump in another Matthews or Leafs thread if you want to discuss that, but try staying on topic here.

I'm sorry that Slaf looks like a massive disappointment, but deflecting and projecting that towards another fan base doesn't help. It rather just highlights how concerning it really is. Leafs are fine, but Habs are still among the worst teams in the league after drafting 3rd, 1st, and now recently 5th overall. There should be concern but I mean if you guys are happy with the production you've gotten out of Slaf then good for you I guess ?

It's just bizarre to outside fans that 5 points in 18 games, in a sophomore season for a 1st overall forward is apparently something to be happy with. He looks invisible in the few games I have season and the stats seem to back that up. Pulju seems like a good comparison, bigger guys that physically matured much earlier than their peers, resulting in them dominating. Lawson Crouse and Dylan Strome also had the same sort of thing in their draft years, although both guys look like respectable NHLers now.

But sure I mean, the guys outside the top 300 scorers and the Habs are once again looking like a lottery team, but yeah looks good!
Habs have been garbage for 25 years and still own your pitiful leafs. You won't see me defend my management much and I've never been one to do so when we consistently ice sub par rosters so I think you are quoting the wrong person. Its just funny you always try to start stuff in habs discussions without knowing your place in the food chain , its sad because most leafs fans stay quiet and know their place in society by now
 

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If Ottawa drafted this guy the same Habs fans defending him would be trashing us.

He looks far more engaged and I’m sure the numbers will come, but at this stage I think it’s a little dishonest to say there’s no concern or disappointment.

The play driving doesn’t seem to be there.
 
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Habs have been garbage for 25 years and still own your pitiful leafs. You won't see me defend my management much and I've never been one to do so when we consistently ice sub par rosters so I think you are quoting the wrong person. Its just funny you always try to start stuff in habs discussions without knowing your place in the food chain , its sad because most leafs fans stay quiet and know their place in society by now
Man someones feelings got hurt lmao, you have a very difficult time sticking to thread topics

If Ottawa drafted this guy the same Habs fans defending him would be trashing us.

He looks far more engaged and I’m sure the numbers will come, but at this stage I think it’s a little dishonest to say there’s no concern or disappointment.

The play driving doesn’t seem to be there.
100%, you can already see multiple of their posters trying to derail and attack the Leafs because I mentioned that 5 points in 18 games for a #1 pick is very alarming. Was hoping they'd be able to have the same objective discussions they always do in other threads, but very sensitive when it comes to their own guys.
 
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Man someones feelings got hurt lmao, you have a very difficult time sticking to thread topics


100%, you can already see multiple of their posters trying to derail and attack the Leafs because I mentioned that 5 points in 18 games for a #1 pick is very alarming. Was hoping they'd be able to have the same objective discussions they always do in other threads, but very sensitive when it comes to their own guys.
No bigger Leafs hater than me on gods green earth and I agree with you 100%
 

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