Slafkovski reminds me of Pulju

[waitin425]

Man someones feelings got hurt lmao, you have a very difficult time sticking to thread topics

No ones feelings are hurt man. You're obvious attempts to troll are what he is pushing back against. "The few games" you've seen this season. I challenge that. You've probably seen exactly one. The one they played the Leafs.

The production will come for Slaf. Points don't tell the whole story. You're commentary on him exposes your intent here.

Fair game to talk about his lack of production and we can go in circles talking about the context for that. Come on over to our Slaf thread to see meaningful discussions on Slaf, both good and bad, from educated posters, who actually.....you know.....have watched him play.

 

[OKR]

The poster you are quoting wont engage in an honest discussion.


Been right far more than I have been wrong thanks. You can cherry pick posts but I have a long track record to look back on. You also skipped over the fact you likely had the same opinion of Puljujarvi.

You probably count everytime you totally contradict your previous claim as being right lmao, making false assumptions is also not a fact. I always had Puljujärvi as the 3rd wheel in Laine-Aho-Pulju line, not only after he busted unlike you.

You also said Lafreniere would be much better than Eichel and Hughes, and that Lafreniere could very well have Forsberg like impact, then went on to shit on him in multiple threads after he didn’t pan out rightaway.

You claimed Batherson is a better player than Brady Tkachuk, you were pretty much the biggest Chabot fan on this board till you made a full 180 on him too.

For a guy with ”40 years of experience” you seem to make awful lot of evaluation mistakes that you then try to cover up by making a full 180 on everything you claimed. Nobody should take any of your opinions seriously at all.

 

[Jeune Poulet]

No ones feelings are hurt man. You're obvious attempts to troll are what he is pushing back against. "The few games" you've seen this season. I challenge that. You've probably seen exactly one. The one they played the Leafs.

The production will come for Slaf. Points don't tell the whole story.

Indeed, you can't trust only points.

You have to regularly watch Slafkovsky play to see how out of his depth he is, playing in the NHL.

The points alone don't tell the story of how terribly he's been handled by our coaching staff and management.

 

[bert]

You probably count everytime you totally contradict your previous claim as being right lmao, making false assumptions is also not a fact. I always had Puljujärvi as the 3rd wheel in Laine-Aho-Pulju line, not only after he busted unlike you.

You also said Lafreniere would be much better than Eichel and Hughes, and that Lafreniere could very well have Forsberg like impact, then went on to shit on him in multiple threads after he didn’t pan out rightaway.

You claimed Batherson is a better player than Brady Tkachuk, you were pretty much the biggest Chabot fan on this board till you made a full 180 on him too.

For a guy with ”40 years of experience” you seem to make awful lot of evaluation mistakes that you then try to cover up by making a full 180 on everything you claimed. Nobody should take any of your opinions seriously at all.

Should i go through your entire post history and look for all your largest egregious mistakes and leave out all the times you are right? Seems like a pretty wild dedication of time that I am not prepared to do. You seem to be pretty dedicated to the 2020 draft, I have been right alot. Especially on players like Quinn, Stutzle and Byfield. But you dont bring those up.

You have yet again avoided admitting if you were wrong on the likes of Puljujarvi and Lafrenniere. Did you call it? If so lets see the proof. I dont have the time to look you up sorry.

Batherson was a better player than Tkachuk, he was the teams best player until Dell cheap shotted him and he had his high ankle sprain. Both him and Chabot have taken a complete nose dive despite their talent and what they had shown. Alot of that appears to be accountability and perhaps the same message from a coach but id love to see an explanation.

If you want to continue this discussion please go through the W's as well as the L's. If you dont want to or cant then just leave it alone.

 

[X66]

Problem with Slaf is that he's TOO big for his age, which is why he shouldn't be in the NHL in the first place.

I know it's hard to send down a 1st overall pick these days, but he needs to grow into his body to truly realize his potential.

Might not ever happen, but just my two cents.

 

[Gamimenos]

Problem with Slaf is that he's TOO big for his age, which is why he shouldn't be in the NHL in the first place.

I know it's hard to send down a 1st overall pick these days, but he needs to grow into his body to truly realize his potential.

Might not ever happen, but just my two cents.

To add to this, it also looks like the game is too fast for him. AHL time will do him real good in my opinion.

 

[ole ole]

Most rankings had Wright at the top.

They were neck and neck come draft day. It was like a 1/1a between them.Thy were the top 2 ranked players.

 

[ole ole]

Problem with Slaf is that he's TOO big for his age, which is why he shouldn't be in the NHL in the first place.

I know it's hard to send down a 1st overall pick these days, but he needs to grow into his body to truly realize his potential.

Might not ever happen, but just my two cents.

I remember a big young d-man named Larry Robinson who looked very awkward when when he started for the Habs.

Your post makes a lot of sense.

 

[ole ole]

Trending well, continued progression? All I see is stagnation.

Or is this because he just had a 2 point game?

Not really. Ya he's got a long way to go but in His last couple of games you can see a change in his game. Time will tell.

 

[OKR]

Should i go through your entire post history and look for all your largest egregious mistakes and leave out all the times you are right? Seems like a pretty wild dedication of time that I am not prepared to do. You seem to be pretty dedicated to the 2020 draft, I have been right alot. Especially on players like Quinn, Stutzle and Byfield. But you dont bring those up.

You have yet again avoided admitting if you were wrong on the likes of Puljujarvi and Lafrenniere. Did you call it? If so lets see the proof. I dont have the time to look you up sorry.

Batherson was a better player than Tkachuk, he was the teams best player until Dell cheap shotted him and he had his high ankle sprain. Both him and Chabot have taken a complete nose dive despite their talent and what they had shown. Alot of that appears to be accountability and perhaps the same message from a coach but id love to see an explanation.

If you want to continue this discussion please go through the W's as well as the L's. If you dont want to or cant then just leave it alone.

Oh, wow you got it right that 2nd and 3rd pick in the NHL Draft are doing good, you’re clearly putting that 40 years of experience in to good use! Lafreniere i thought would be better, Stützle was my personal favorite of the draft, Puljujärvi i never saw as a potential top player in the NHL.

Also it’s not just about you being wrong constantly, it’s about you making claims like someone is a great skater with awesome shot and motor, and then trashing the same player and those exact same attributes you raved about, claiming how player dominated in WJC and then 3 years later claim that exact player was just riding shot gun. It’s obvious you’re bad at evaluating players if you have to entirely contradict your initial evaluation . It’s honestly sad.

 

[bert]

Oh, wow you got it right that 2nd and 3rd pick in the NHL Draft are doing good, you’re clearly putting that 40 years of experience in to good use! Lafreniere i thought would be better, Stützle was my personal favorite of the draft, Puljujärvi i never saw as a potential top player in the NHL.

Also it’s not just about you being wrong constantly, it’s about you making claims like someone is a great skater with awesome shot and motor, and then trashing the same player and those exact same attributes you raved about, claiming how player dominated in WJC and then 3 years later claim that exact player was just riding shot gun. It’s obvious you’re bad at evaluating players if you have to entirely contradict your initial evaluation . It’s honestly sad.

Take off your cape amongst us mere mortals. The only sad thing is dedicating this much time to go into someones post history then cherry pick your arguments. Over 30,000 posts and 20 + years there will be misses. But I assume given your confidence here you have never been wrong. Bravo, why arent you working in an NHL front office?

 

[ole ole]

Look man, it's clear you won't be convinced, but he's far better than he was last year in several areas of the game. Here are very quick areas of the game where he's improved:

- Far stronger on board battles.
- Less likely to be rocked by big hit due to a big adjustment to the speed of the game
- Much better passing in transition and off the rush. I would say he's very good in this area where as last year a lot of his passes would get picked off.
- He's been setting up teammates at a much more consistent and frequent rate than he was last year.
- Recently he's been driving the net more often
- He's improved his puck carrying ability. Last year he'd often get stopped fairly easier by defenders. This year he's easily able to gain the zone and begin the offense play
- He's not passive in creating offense. In several games he's often at the root of offense creation and is getting better at it game by game. He's very noticeable in this regard
- he is getting WAY, WAY, WAY more puck touches

You are likely to come back and say this is not good enough for a 1OA, but Slafkovsky has always been advertised as a project. He will not meet the expectatins of a 1OA right now, but his game IS getting better and anyone not wanting to be right on the internet will see it.

Is it good enough? It depends on your expectations. For me, an overall trend of progression is important. You don't want to see stagnation or regression. All players will have bad games, but you have to look at the aggregate. Compared to last season, Slaf has vastly improved. Heck even compared to pre-season he's vastly improved. He's slowly getting there.

Thread !

 

[OKR]

Take off your cape amongst us mere mortals. The only sad thing is dedicating this much time to go into someones post history then cherry pick your arguments. Over 30,000 posts and 20 + years there will be misses. But I assume given your confidence here you have never been wrong. Bravo, why arent you working in an NHL front office?

Because i don’t have 40 years of experience like you, thought that was obvious?

In your 30,000 posts you seem to have awful lot of misses when you only need 10 minutes to find misses that bad. Can’t wait when Slafkovsky isn’t the world-beater you think he is and you’re here shitting on him like you knew it all along, just like you do with every player.

 

[FerrisRox]

When 5 points in 18 games and being outside the top 300 as a 1st overall is something to be proud of, you know the franchise is in a very bad stat. Oof

Why would anyone be "proud" of that?

What are you talking about?

He's 19 years old playing on a lousy team. I have zero expectations for him to be an offensive contributor right now. The team made it very clear when he was drafted he was going to be a project and the expectations were for him to find his footing and find his game as a big man now playing with adults exclusively. Nobody had expectations for him to be lighting up the league at this point, in fact a huge contingent of the fan base didn't even want him at the NHL level so you'd have to be pretty clueless to point at his point totals as if there were expectations for him to be cruising along at a point a game as a 19 year old.

Mike Matheson has more points that Connor McDavid right now. Does that mean Matheson is generational, McDavid or sucks, or does it mean nothing, because it's November and only an idiot determines a players worth based on a month of play?

 

[bert]

Because i don’t have 40 years of experience like you, thought that was obvious?

In your 30,000 posts you seem to have awful lot of misses when you only need 10 minutes to find misses that bad. Can’t wait when Slafkovsky isn’t the world-beater you think he is and you’re here shitting on him like you knew it all along, just like you do with every player.

Wild take at the end there. I never claimed Slaf was going to be a super star but I also dont think he ends up like Puljujarvi. He has some traits that I like and think will translate. I think he will be a very effective power winger in the league. That its too early to say he is going to bust.

I also admitted to being wrong about Puljujarvi in this thread. I wasnt shitting on Puljujarvi I was pointing out the differences in their games. He didnt progress at all which is typically not the case for players his size and stature. You have yet to make any points in this thread other than shit on other posters and provide no context to your evaluations other than stats. There is no risk on your end but you are fully ready to dish it out. Truly cowardly behavior. You are behind a fake alias no one will know. Grow a set and say something. If you are wrong about suggesting slaf will bust will you be back? I dont feel like its very likely.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I’m always very suspicious when fans say ‘points don’t tell the story’ and say ‘watch him play’. We hear that for every single high draft pick that is underperforming.
The bottom line is that he’s off to a disappointing start. Still lots of time to improve but no guarantees that he will.

 

[AvroArrow]

Why would anyone be "proud" of that?

What are you talking about?

He's 19 years old playing on a lousy team. I have zero expectations for him to be an offensive contributor right now. The team made it very clear when he was drafted he was going to be a project and the expectations were for him to find his footing and find his game as a big man now playing with adults exclusively. Nobody had expectations for him to be lighting up the league at this point, in fact a huge contingent of the fan base didn't even want him at the NHL level so you'd have to be pretty clueless to point at his point totals as if there were expectations for him to be cruising along at a point a game as a 19 year old.

Mike Matheson has more points that Connor McDavid right now. Does that mean Matheson is generational, McDavid or sucks, or does it mean nothing, because it's November and only an idiot determines a players worth based on a month of play?

The Habs made it clear when they drafted 1st overall that he's a project ? That's news to me.

No ones asking him to be lighting up point totals, but 5 points through the first 18 games is absolutely unacceptable, or it should be to most fan bases at least.

Matheson has more points than McDavid because McDavid is playing through an obvious injury, prior to the injury he destroyed the entire league since he entered. That comparison has absolutely nothing to do with Slafkovsky struggling.

Buddy it's his 2nd season "month of play" But seriously not sure how someone can actually try and argue that he hasn't been a huge disappointment so far. He's on pace for 22 points this year, you're lying to yourself if you're trying to say that you guys weren't expecting much more than that. Fans were calling Lafreniere a certified bust and he scored 30+.

Also if he had 25 points through the first month, you'd also be saying "Only an idiot determines a players worth based on a month of play" right ?

 

[Gillings]

Reminds me more of draisaitl without the sending down to develop his instincts.

 

[Nucker101]

"Weak draft" is usually code for "most of the top end forwards aren't really worth it" so I'd probably go with a dman in these types of drafts. Yes you miss out on Cooley with this logic, but if you compare the top 10 forwards who got drafted vs the top 10 dmen, I think the dmen group looks better, especially factoring in draft position.

 

[OKR]

Wild take at the end there. I never claimed Slaf was going to be a super star but I also dont think he ends up like Puljujarvi. He has some traits that I like and think will translate. I think he will be a very effective power winger in the league. That its too early to say he is going to bust.

I also admitted to being wrong about Puljujarvi in this thread. I wasnt shitting on Puljujarvi I was pointing out the differences in their games. He didnt progress at all which is typically not the case for players his size and stature. You have yet to make any points in this thread other than shit on other posters and provide no context to your evaluations other than stats. There is no risk on your end but you are fully ready to dish it out. Truly cowardly behavior. You are behind a fake alias no one will know. Grow a set and say something. If you are wrong about suggesting slaf will bust will you be back? I dont feel like its very likely.

Oh i’ll be here laughing at you like i currently am laughing at every terrible evaluation you’ve made…

You’re literally here saying Puljujärvi rode shotgun to Aho and Laine, when in the past you claimed he dominated at those exact same WJC’s. You claimed Puljujärvi has way way worse shot than Slafkovski, despite claiming in the past that he has awesome shot. How are you gonna claim to be this excellent evaluator with your 40 years of experience working with Pro’s and scouts when you evaluated Puljujärvi so bad that all his strenghts turned out to be weaknesses?

Absolutely nobody should take any of your opinions seriously when you chance it every year, like you’ve done with:
Nylander, Chabot, Puljujärvi and Lafreniere just to name few.

You’re like a bad take factory, your post history is literally filled with them. How many times do you need to be 100% wrong till you realize that you can’t evaluate players at all?

 

[Antiillafire]

@toewsintangibles it is Slafkovský not slafkovski. That is a very ignorant spelling mistake, implying he is not ethnically Slovak.

 

[Theodore450]

Indeed, you can't trust only points.

You have to regularly watch Slafkovsky play to see how out of his depth he is, playing in the NHL.

The points alone don't tell the story of how terribly he's been handled by our coaching staff and management.

This is simply not true. He’s progressing well.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I’m always very suspicious when fans say ‘points don’t tell the story’ and say ‘watch him play’. We hear that for every single high draft pick that is underperforming.
The bottom line is that he’s off to a disappointing start. Still lots of time to improve but no guarantees that he will.

Also think there's more of a spotlight when the player was taken 1st overall.

If a kid is taken in the 2nd round and he's progressing slowly, it's one thing to be excited about the "little gains" he's making even if the production isn't there. But 1st overalls are supposed to be guys you build around and should be productive almost right out of the gate.

Maybe he still turns it around. But at this point in time, based on where he was taken, the lack of production has to be a concern. You don't take a guy 1st overall because he projects to be a 60 point guy when he's 25 years old.

 

[SlafySZN]

The 1st overall pick of 2022, had a horrendous rookie season and might even be having a worse sophomore season. Why can't we discuss this ?

5 points in 18 games. These are legitimate Nail Yakupov type of numbers, it should be concerning. Montreals in the bottom once again, they drafted 1st overall and 5th overall and it seems to have made no difference.

Maybe he goes on a tear to the end the year ? We don't know. But as of right now, it's not looking pretty. You need more than 5 points from your #1 overall pick. We can discuss again at the end of next year for sure, as of this moment though he looks like a huge disappointment.

So what i get from your comment is that you have not watched him and you base your opinion of him having a ‘’worse’’ season than last year on stats.

 

[nbwingsfan]

This is just plainly and simply false.

It's impossible to believe that anybody who watched him play even five games last season versus five games this season could arrive at this conclusion.

He is way more physically engaged, way more involved offensively, is getting way more looks and is making better decisions with and without the puck that he did last year. That's just plainly obvious to anyone watching.

How many games have you watched him play?



Even for you, this is bad.

“Way more involved offensively” … with his whopping 2g/3a

The guy has one single 2pt game and Habs fans are now touting how great he is

His current projection would have him as the worst sophomore seaso by a 1st overall pick…. Ever? And he’s not even getting limited ice time like other poor seasons by top picks