Waived: [SJS] Evander Kane

[Kegsey]

How many hours till Kane clears? Exactly?

He already did.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

How many hours till Kane clears? Exactly?

He already cleared

 

[KrisLetAngry]

I won't lie I really thought a team was going to bite at 50% it must be even worse than we thought.

 

[serp]

I mean duh nobody was picking that up a $7M contract on waivers.

 

[Groo]

I won't lie I really thought a team was going to bite at 50% it must be even worse than we thought.

Now that he cleared waivers we'll soon see

 

[HSF]

does his gambling debt increase risk for other teams?

 

[inthe6ix]

As expected, he cleared:

 

[Crazy Joe Divola]

I won't lie I really thought a team was going to bite at 50% it must be even worse than we thought.

waiver claim would’vebeen taking on the full 7M.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

waiver claim would’vebeen taking on the full 7M.

O for sure a waiver claim is for 7 million. I'm not shocked no one wanted him for free.

I thought a team would have went for a trade. It may have cost too much for Sanjose though.

 

[FedorTyutin]

SEA will claim him.

I was wrong.

 

[Seras]

Wow…. Is he done after this or will he get another chance

He’d probably be better off asking for contract termination and trying to stay in the NHL on a cheaper salary deal somewhere

He still gets paid his NHL salary, no reason to terminate

 

[member 334057]

There's two huge differences between Rodgers and Kane.

1.- Lying to the media about being vaccinated just means your an a-hole. Having a fake COVID card means you're an a-hole that just committed a felony.
2.- Rodgers is actually good and cutting him would have implications for the Packers. Can't say the same about Kane or the Sharks.

Not defending either one of them. They're both ass hats and deserve whatever punishment comes their way.

I think one other difference is that the NFL doesn't have Canadian teams and border crossing multiple times a season to contend with. Kane's decision and fake vaccination card could have landed him and the Sharks in some potential legal trouble had he knowingly crossed the border while using it. He would have been better off just saying he wasn't vaccinated and going the route that Bertuzzi has in Detroit.

 

[Seras]

If a team picks him up it will be the ultimate display of 'we don't give a shit about team chemistry'.

Curious which owner or manger raises their hand on this one.

It could mean your job today with how people and society in the west is, 20 years ago he would have been picked up because winning was the only thing that mattered then.

 

[Stimpythecat]

does his gambling debt increase risk for other teams?

Maybe. And that's assuming he doesn't relapse.

According to one bank, Kane paid off a $75,000 gambling debt less than 2 months before his bankruptcy filing. That is a textbook bankruptcy preference which the bankruptcy trustee will claw back from the creditor.

Creditor alleges Evander Kane has 'serious gambling problem' in court filing

Bankruptcy Preferences FAQ | Cooley | Global Law Firm

That gambling debt would then be an unpaid marker. We don't know which state he incurred that debt in. If it was to a NV casino, there's an issue. Under NV state law, unpaid casino markers are considered felony check fraud if $1200 or over. Each individual marker could be a separate felony. Any conviction would be a deportation level offense.

"Casino Marker" in Las Vegas Nevada - What If I Don't Pay It?

Kane has also been accused of civil bank fraud and civil bankruptcy fraud. That could go criminal if additional facts come out in his bankruptcy case.

 

[Rubi]

Now we shall see how much of the $7M salary will the Sharks eat just to get rid of him.

Oh well... its not like the Shark weren't warned about the guy before they signed him. Idiots.

 

[JKG33]

You can say what you will about how different leagues in different sports are treating this differently, but it's still crazy that we have Aaron Rodgers in an American sports league who lied about his vaccination status and is anti-vax, yet no suspension or the Packers getting rid of him, and with Evander Kane, who plays in a league where most teams are in the United States, is on the outs because of this faked vaccine card stuff (Which is a form of lying about your vaccination status).

In Rodgers' case all he did was lie when asked by the media. If I'm remembering correctly, the NFL/Packers knew about his status before hand. It was the self-important media that started the crusade because how dare he lie to them.

What Kane did, regardless of if you agree with his actions or not, were not only a lie to the NHL/Sharks (his employer), but also a felony.

Rodgers, while not squeaky clean himself, still has a much better history than Kane, and is a top 5 player in the league. Both of those facts are also going to carry weight.

 

[Guttersniped]

You are completely misunderstanding what happened with Richards. It is extremely likely that Richards had serious immigration issues from the RCMP catching him in the act of illegal possession of a controlled substance.

Those immigration issues take 6 months at minimum to correct although is can be years in some cases. That would have meant Richards would have missed all of training camp and the first 3 months of the season. That was the material breach.

Immigration issues is consistent will all the reported facts, how immigration law is interpreted and enforced. It also is 100% consistent with the timeline and with Bill Daly's comments.

Since law enforcement caught him in the act, immigration issues can be immediate. No need for a conviction.

Stranger Things star Charlie Heaton denied US entry over cocaine trace

Former Flyer Mike Richards Charged With Possession of Oxy - Gambone Law

Toronto Mayor Rob Ford could be denied entry to U.S.

Players have missed time before and there's punishments like suspensions available. He played for the Capitals in 2015-16 season and played his first game on Jan 16th 2016. He didn't rob a bank (or deal drugs), he had pain killers with him because he was addicted to them and that addiction was very much not unrelated to his line of work.

The Kings didn't settle and agree to pay him 60% of what they owed him out of the kindness of their hearts, there was a real chance they would lose in arbitration. Richards didn't press his luck either, as I said, both sides hedged their bets with a settlement.

I think it's a little gross but even if you're whole-heartedly on Team Screw The Drug Addict For Cap Space, the Kings didn't cleanly terminate the contract and move on. They terminated it, people bitched about that, the NHLPA filed a grievance, the Kings and Richards made a huge settlement to avoid arbitration, and then people bitched about that.

So there's basically zero chance of the Sharks being able to make Kane's contract go away because there aren't any criminal charges and/or anything similar to those immigration issues from criminal charges. There presumably just aren't any clear grounds to terminate and he won't agree to settle without a threat of that. Obviously there is a mess of smoke and he's a headache and an embarrassment but San Jose can take care of that by buying him out. (Unless they find a sucker to take him.) People around the NHL were unhappy with the Richards/Kings termination/settlement, it's a nonstarter unless Kane wants it for some weird reason. (This is based on what's being reported, not just a personal theory. Some people on this board think a termination is easy and likely possibility with Kane and it's not.)

 

[bossram]

He still gets paid his NHL salary, no reason to terminate

He's got huge debts to pay. There's no way Kane is willingly terminating his current contract. He'll ride the bus in the AHL.

The only way SJ gets rid of Kane is via a hefty buyout.

 

[Paper]

There comes a point when you can tell the angry ex is throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. Her goal is to ruin him and take anything he has leftover.

In fairness I can't stand the guy and want him gone. But in north america, you are innocent until proven guilty.

ConnorMcGregor: "Innocent until proven guilty but also his ex is just lying to ruin him despite having no proof to back that up."

Three woman accused him of violently grabbing them and trying to force them to leave with him. One said she could not breath as he choked her. Kane took a plea in that event that got the charges dismissed if he could stay out of legal trouble. Miraculously he was able to pull that off.

One woman just got approved to have her civil lawsuit go through for the alleged assault she suffered in 2015 from Kane.

His former Playboy playmate said he was violently abusive, mentally, verbally and physically.

And now his (soon-to-be) ex-wife.

That's six women accusing him. All just out to ruin poor innocent Kane's reputation.

 

[Stimpythecat]

Players have missed time before and there's punishments like suspensions available. He played for the Capitals in 2015-16 season and played his first game on Jan 16th 2016. He didn't rob a bank (or deal drugs), he had pain killers with him because he was addicted to them and that addiction was very much not unrelated to his line of work.

The Kings didn't settle and agree to pay him 60% of what they owed him out of the kindness of their hearts, there was a real chance they would lose in arbitration. Richards didn't press his luck either, as I said, both sides hedged their bets with a settlement.

I think it's a little gross but even if you're whole-heartedly on Team Screw The Drug Addict For Cap Space, the Kings didn't cleanly terminate the contract and move on. They terminated it, people bitched about that, the NHLPA filed a grievance, the Kings and Richards made a huge settlement to avoid arbitration, and then people bitched about that.

So there's basically zero chance of the Sharks being able to make Kane's contract go away because there aren't any criminal charges and/or anything similar to those immigration issues from criminal charges. There presumably just aren't any clear grounds to terminate and he won't agree to settle without a threat of that. Obviously there is a mess of smoke and he's a headache and an embarrassment but San Jose can take care of that by buying him out. (Unless they find a sucker to take him.) People around the NHL were unhappy with the Richards/Kings termination/settlement, it's a nonstarter unless Kane wants it for some weird reason. (This is based on what's being reported, not just a personal theory. Some people on this board think a termination is easy and likely possibility with Kane and it's not.)

I agree the sharks have no legal grounds at present.

I was speaking of Richards and your assertion that the Kings had no legal grounds to try to terminate and Richards settled just to get it over with. The bolded from your post was wrong. As the links I posted showed.

The below is your quote.

"I think the Kings settled because there was a real chance they could lose in arbitration while Richards settled just to end the legal hassle, get his money risk free and play somewhere else. The criminal charges were everything in Richards case though, especially it being boo hiss evil drug charges, which gave them a chance to try to wiggle out of a bad contract by f***ing over a guy who was addicted to painkillers after numerous injuries."


Bill Daly made it clear the Kings had a good chance of winning.

 

[Jumptheshark]

crazy prediction of the day

Kane @ 50% plus a first to the nucks for Horvat

 

[Groo]

crazy prediction of the day

Kane @ 50% plus a first to the nucks for Horvat

It's different. Not bad
Anybody nail down the suppose cancer in the Nucks locker room?

 

[Djp]

Maybe. And that's assuming he doesn't relapse.

According to one bank, Kane paid off a $75,000 gambling debt less than 2 months before his bankruptcy filing. That is a textbook bankruptcy preference which the bankruptcy trustee will claw back from the creditor.

Creditor alleges Evander Kane has 'serious gambling problem' in court filing

Bankruptcy Preferences FAQ | Cooley | Global Law Firm

That gambling debt would then be an unpaid marker. We don't know which state he incurred that debt in. If it was to a NV casino, there's an issue. Under NV state law, unpaid casino markers are considered felony check fraud if $1200 or over. Each individual marker could be a separate felony. Any conviction would be a deportation level offense.

"Casino Marker" in Las Vegas Nevada - What If I Don't Pay It?

Kane has also been accused of civil bank fraud and civil bankruptcy fraud. That could go criminal if additional facts come out in his bankruptcy case.

A felony conviction that only exists in Nevada law is not a deportable offense.

 

[Jumptheshark]

It's different. Not bad
Anybody nail down the suppose cancer in the Nucks locker room?

some say it is Horvat--power base has changed in the room

 

[Groo]

some say it is Horvat--power base has changed in the room

Thanks