Confirmed Trade: [SJS/DET] Jake Walman and 2024 2nd round pick for future considerations

[RedHawkDown]

For what is worth the smoke in Detroit was that he was traded because he was a poor locker room presence; Larkin essentially all but called him out directly in the offseason. Not saying that’s what’s happening here but it certainly is fair to ask the question given he’s being scratched despite playing well

 

[dgibb10]

He’s seriously healthy scratched tonight?

That’s hysterical considering this thread. Up’s the drama x2.

I think he’s a talented guy that isn’t strong defensively. I think Yzerman made the best trade on the table and did it because he felt he had youth coming he wanted to make room for. SJ needed some vets to make the team a little better for both the fans and their new stud. Everyone got what they thought they wanted/needed and I doubt either side regretted the trade till maybe SJ today. If he’s healthy scratched because of play I don’t think anyone can clown Yzerman about this trade at all. I hope he gets back in and continues to help SJ at least offensively.

He is playing on SAN JOSE and has a better expected goal share than any dman on your team while leading SJS to an actually functional PK (something Detroit is lacking).

Chiarot Gustafsson and Holl have been disasters in Detroit this year.

 

[TheBeard]

He’s seriously healthy scratched tonight?

That’s hysterical considering this thread. Up’s the drama x2.

I think he’s a talented guy that isn’t strong defensively. I think Yzerman made the best trade on the table and did it because he felt he had youth coming he wanted to make room for. SJ needed some vets to make the team a little better for both the fans and their new stud. Everyone got what they thought they wanted/needed and I doubt either side regretted the trade till maybe SJ today. If he’s healthy scratched because of play I don’t think anyone can clown Yzerman about this trade at all. I hope he gets back in and continues to help SJ at least offensively.

Chances are it stems from a pretty tough hit he took from Boeser last game.

 

[Oddbob]

Chances are it stems from a pretty tough hit he took from Boeser last game.

The coach said it wasn't related to that hit. Lalonde had vague/weird things to say last year when he came back from injury also, in that Walman wasn't still hurt, but wasn't "himself", whatever that meant.

 

[GreytWun]

Walman just isn’t very good.

 

[Hobnobs]

He is playing on SAN JOSE and has a better expected goal share than any dman on your team while leading SJS to an actually functional PK (something Detroit is lacking).

Chiarot Gustafsson and Holl have been disasters in Detroit this year.

Once again you speak of things you know nothing about. Holl for example has played very well this season.

I just love how you only look at stats and then believe you know more that the fans of the teams that actually watches the games.

 

[HolyGhost]

28 pages of this? Wow

 

[Hobnobs]

28 pages of this? Wow

The wings hate and defense is real

 

[Reality Czech]

Walman is winning his 5v5 minutes on the sharks lmao, both in terms of expected goals and actual goals, the sharks are OUTPRODUCING Their opponents with walman on the ice.

For context, not a single detroit dman is above 50%

Also has helped the Sharks PK to an impressive 81.5%.

Do you even watch games or just study stat sheets all the time? Honest question.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Detroit fans clearly don't/didn't like him, for the most part, but he's looked pretty solid, and especially considering San Jose got a free 2nd round pick with him, it's hard for Shark fans to complain.

 

[LarKing]

Detroit fans clearly don't/didn't like him, for the most part, but he's looked pretty solid, and especially considering San Jose got a free 2nd round pick with him, it's hard for Shark fans to complain.

Most Wings fans did like him. There was something up with him though as he was sat even when healthy down the stretch at times. The trade was awful and will be even if Walman ends up a healthy scratch the rest of the season. But we'll have to see if anything happens again with the healthy scratching.

 

[coooldude]

The coach said it wasn't related to that hit. Lalonde had vague/weird things to say last year when he came back from injury also, in that Walman wasn't still hurt, but wasn't "himself", whatever that meant.

I also hope this thread dies soon, but the scratch is probably related to this. Some speculation that Walman hides injuries -- before he made two big mistakes last game, he got hit hard by Boeser as you referenced... Coach says the hit has nothing to do with the scratch, but Walman says yes the hit had something to do with the scratch, "If it weren't for that hit we wouldn't be having this conversation." Perhaps then, it was putting himself before the team and playing hurt, which led to bad plays later in the game.

Hodge, however, is just being a troll. He's an enigma. Sometimes he adds a ton of value as a poster, other times he bumps this thread and cherrypicks arguments to try to start and continue shit fights. Who knows what's going on over there, I always hope we see more of the good version of him and less of the bad one.

 

[RandV]

Hodge, however, is just being a troll. He's an enigma. Sometimes he adds a ton of value as a poster, other times he bumps this thread and cherrypicks arguments to try to start and continue shit fights. Who knows what's going on over there, I always hope we see more of the good version of him and less of the bad one.

Yes if those 'mistakes' were legit justification for being a healthy scratch then you'd see a regular rotation of dmen in and out of the line up in literally every game.

 

[StreetHawk]

Most Wings fans did like him. There was something up with him though as he was sat even when healthy down the stretch at times. The trade was awful and will be even if Walman ends up a healthy scratch the rest of the season. But we'll have to see if anything happens again with the healthy scratching.

If the cap space wasn’t fully used then Detroit should have just bought him out vs send a second out the door with him.

Approximately $1.1 mill in dead cap to have bought him out for 4 seasons.

 

[SirKillalot]

Most Wings fans did like him. There was something up with him though as he was sat even when healthy down the stretch at times.

Actually the opinion was split on him. Some liked him, some didn't.
Personally I like him, but he has his limits and one has to understand those and find the right fit, but he is also a stop gap in many ways and its possible to do better.

He play top line in San Jose as they got no one else, its not sustainable numbers, but credit he has done well so far. That being said, they don't need him to be a top top player, they just need him to play fairly stable minutes to develop the youth and make sure they got something to work with parts of every game.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

The coach said it wasn't related to that hit. Lalonde had vague/weird things to say last year when he came back from injury also, in that Walman wasn't still hurt, but wasn't "himself", whatever that meant.

It was like talking to a Walman from what I heard

 

[dgibb10]

Once again you speak of things you know nothing about. Holl for example has played very well this season.

I just love how you only look at stats and then believe you know more that the fans of the teams that actually watches the games.

Why is it every time I hear about "the stats don't show how good he's played" it's ALWAYS just a guy with a PDO of like 115. Because all these "eye test" fans get so easily fooled by goaltending behind them and shooting luck in front of them. And every one of them is convinced that their player is somehow the exception to statistics

Holl is getting 0.956 goaltending behind him and a 15% on ice shooting EV.

He's getting caved in out there.

 

[SimpleJack]

What a nonsense non-sequitor

I meant the thread bump of course, you're being obtuse, nothing new there

Whenever I hear or see this word i instantly start thinking about The Shawshank Redemption.

 

[matt trick]

Whenever I hear or see this word i instantly start thinking about The Shawshank Redemption.

To be fair, several of these posters could use a month in the hole.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1854265053354381818

Can both sides agree that there is evidence something is up with him off the ice, but also that he’s at worst a decent player on the ice and far better than some of the garbage Detroit is icing?

 

[saska sault]

Decent player, wasn't working out in Detroit.. got moved with term so attached asset... chance to thrive and grow in San Jose, locker room issues in Detroit so he wasn't sticking around (like Vrana, Mantha, Bertuzzi to varrying degrees) I don't get why this thread continues to discuss this like it was a make or break moment for Detroit or Yzerman, or that he was some long tenured guy we got robbed of and had to ship out.

 

[Filppula]

Decent player, wasn't working out in Detroit.. got moved with term so attached asset... chance to thrive and grow in San Jose, locker room issues in Detroit so he wasn't sticking around (like Vrana, Mantha, Bertuzzi to varrying degrees) I don't get why this thread continues to discuss this like it was a make or break moment for Detroit or Yzerman, or that he was some long tenured guy we got robbed of and had to ship out.

But I’d actually argue he was.

 

[Devilsfan2326]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1854265053354381818

Can both sides agree that there is evidence something is up with him off the ice, but also that he’s at worst a decent player on the ice and far better than some of the garbage Detroit is icing?

What could he possibly be doing? Snapping his towel at other players in the showers? Seems no one wants to say but it's not bad enough to get rid of him completely. Besides the Wings paying for anyone to take him off their hands. Which is so weird. It means they clearly let the Sharks know the information they're keeping so private. But he must not be a Carter Hart type if someone will still take him. Maybe a Ribiero, or Avery, or E. Kane type of issue?

 

[RandV]

Decent player, wasn't working out in Detroit.. got moved with term so attached asset... chance to thrive and grow in San Jose, locker room issues in Detroit so he wasn't sticking around (like Vrana, Mantha, Bertuzzi to varrying degrees) I don't get why this thread continues to discuss this like it was a make or break moment for Detroit or Yzerman, or that he was some long tenured guy we got robbed of and had to ship out.

There's a balance here in a situation like this between finding a way to make it work out vs just dumping a guy and watching him succeed elsewhere.

For me I don't know all the ins & outs of the Detroit lineup but it remains a topic of interest because as a Canuck fan we got Hronek in a similar manner and this just seems an extension of that. As Yzerman is trying to ice a competitive team I can't help but think they'd be much better off right now with a top 4 of Edvinsson-Seider Walman-Hronek. What they actually have just seems like an exercise in mediocrity by Yzerman.

 

[LarKing]

Actually the opinion was split on him. Some liked him, some didn't.
Personally I like him, but he has his limits and one has to understand those and find the right fit, but he is also a stop gap in many ways and its possible to do better.

He play top line in San Jose as they got no one else, its not sustainable numbers, but credit he has done well so far. That being said, they don't need him to be a top top player, they just need him to play fairly stable minutes to develop the youth and make sure they got something to work with parts of every game.

I don't always go on the Wings board but from what I saw it was a pretty heavy majority that liked him. Maybe he became a scapegoat at the end of the season and I missed it though