Proposal: SJS - CAR

[ViD]

G Mackenzie Blackwood (50% retained)



CAR 2025 3rd round pick

To be honest, I would be surprised if this or a similar trade doesn’t happen

Canes need a reliable goalie given the injuries and the Sharks need an opening for Askarov

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[Mrfenn92]

Seems fair

 

[fasterthanlight]

I do think we will trade blackwood. But I hope it will be for a second.

By the way --- the sharks can't retain.

 

[ViD]

I do think we will trade blackwood. But I hope it will be for a second.

By the way --- the sharks can't retain.

That kinda complicates things, as Canes don’t have much cap space

 

[Pablo El Perro]

If the Canes want Blackwood, a contract needs to go the other way.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Roslovic

For

Blackwood

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Sharks can’t retain so if you need it, it’ll require a 5th to a 3rd team or something like that.

 

[All Mighty]

Sharks can’t retain so if you need it, it’ll require a 5th to a 3rd team or something like that.

I would not be surprised if the 3rd party team actually gets a better asset than the Sharks do (assuming 50% retention). I’m not sure that’s happened before, but I also am not sure a team has been in the same position as the Sharks are with their retention slots.

 

[Grinner]

G Mackenzie Blackwood (50% retained)



CAR 2025 3rd round pick

To be honest, I would be surprised if this or a similar trade doesn’t happen

Canes need a reliable goalie given the injuries and the Sharks need an opening for Askarov

No, not enough

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

14 decent games after sucking for years suddenly makes Blackwood worth more than a 3rd round pick?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Some things to think about when looking at a goalie, is that it needs to be the right fit in Carolina.

Canes play a systems that allows few shots on goal. 2nd fewest in the NHL so goalies will often go stretches without getting shots against them. SJ, on the other hand, allows a LOT of shots on goal, 2nd MOST in the NHL, so their goalie is always seeing some action. Canes also play a system that when it breaks down, can lead to more high danger chances. Canes allow the 11th MOST 5v5 HD shots / game in the NHL at 7.18 HD Shots/60 (SJ is 10th at 7.21, so the same amount at Carolina).

Point being that a goalie won't get a ton of action and needs to be able to stay sharp, because when he does see action, there's a higher % of the action that will likely be high danger chances.

Carolina has the best 5v5 HDSV% at 88.5%. SJ is middle of the pack at 82.3%. Kochetkov has a .908 5v5 HDSV% (Last year, Freddie had .894). Blackwood has .842 5v5 HDSV%.

I haven't watched Blackwood enough in SJ to say if he'd be a good fit one way or another but for the years I've seen him in NJ, my assessment is that he would be a bad fit. Maybe he's changed though, as players do develop and confidence is a big part of a goalies performance.

 

[Patty Ice]

Anything short of a 2nd round pick, I want the Sharks to re-sign Blackwood and move out Vanecek.

He's a better 1 or 2 year stopgap and eventual backup for Askarov. A perfect teammate for a young goaltender.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Anything short of a 2nd round pick, I want the Sharks to re-sign Blackwood and move out Vanecek.

He's a better 1 or 2 year stopgap and eventual backup for Askarov. A perfect teammate for a young goaltender.

While I've learned to never say never, I'll be surprised to see Blackwood get a 2nd round pick or more.

GMs are often dumb though, so you never know.

 

[Patty Ice]

While I've learned to never say never, I'll be surprised to see Blackwood get a 2nd round pick or more.

GMs are often dumb though, so you never know.

I'm fine with that.

I'd much rather trade Vanecek for a mid round pick.

 

[Hodge]

Sure, why not.

 

[hohosaregood]

I guess for the Sharks, an actual NHL player has more value to them than a 3rd round pick.

 

[TheBeard]

14 decent games after sucking for years suddenly makes Blackwood worth more than a 3rd round pick?

Another stat-looker.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

EDIT: Never mind. Others have provided more info after this post.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I'm fine with that.

I'd much rather trade Vanecek for a mid round pick.

That’s very understandable. IMO, goalies don’t have as much trade value as fans like to think. They are more valuable to the team that has them, so I get what you are saying.

 

[Patty Ice]

That’s very understandable. IMO, goalies don’t have as much trade value as fans like to think. They are more valuable to the team that has them, so I get what you are saying.

To be sure, I don't necessarily think Blackwood would (should?) return a 2nd but if they are moving a goaltender below that value, I would rather it be Vanecek.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

14 decent games after sucking for years suddenly makes Blackwood worth more than a 3rd round pick?

Blackwood has been decent his entire time in SJ.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Blackwood has been decent his entire time in SJ.

Fair enough. I'll take your word for it as I don't watch SJ.

What do you think changed between NJ and SJ? A change of scenery? Less pressure because expectations are lower in SJ? More consistent playing time?

My concern with goalies that come to Carolina is that if a guy is used to seeing a lot of shots and regular #1 playing time, that likely won't be the case in Carolina. Carolina plays a systems where goalies don't see a lot of shots for stretches, but when it breaks down, it's often a high danger shot.

 

[TBF1972]

I do think we will trade blackwood. But I hope it will be for a second.

By the way --- the sharks can't retain.

if you expect a 2nd without retention it could get rough.

 

[TBF1972]

Some things to think about when looking at a goalie, is that it needs to be the right fit in Carolina.

Canes play a systems that allows few shots on goal. 2nd fewest in the NHL so goalies will often go stretches without getting shots against them. SJ, on the other hand, allows a LOT of shots on goal, 2nd MOST in the NHL, so their goalie is always seeing some action. Canes also play a system that when it breaks down, can lead to more high danger chances. Canes allow the 11th MOST 5v5 HD shots / game in the NHL at 7.18 HD Shots/60 (SJ is 10th at 7.21, so the same amount at Carolina).

Point being that a goalie won't get a ton of action and needs to be able to stay sharp, because when he does see action, there's a higher % of the action that will likely be high danger chances.

Carolina has the best 5v5 HDSV% at 88.5%. SJ is middle of the pack at 82.3%. Kochetkov has a .908 5v5 HDSV% (Last year, Freddie had .894). Blackwood has .842 5v5 HDSV%.

I haven't watched Blackwood enough in SJ to say if he'd be a good fit one way or another but for the years I've seen him in NJ, my assessment is that he would be a bad fit. Maybe he's changed though, as players do develop and confidence is a big part of a goalies performance.

his ability to stay healthy was a major problem with the devils. fully healthy he had good stretches. but the lack of alternatives ruined his health, confidence, performance and relationship with the organization.
blackwood is better than his rep from the devils days. a team lacking the depth to give him rest and cure his injuries, should stay away tough.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I would not be surprised if the 3rd party team actually gets a better asset than the Sharks do (assuming 50% retention). I’m not sure that’s happened before, but I also am not sure a team has been in the same position as the Sharks are with their retention slots.

I doubt it. If you want the goalie you have to pay their price to get him. That price is likely higher than the 5th round pick it would take for another team to retain 50% of what’s left by then.