Proposal: SJS - CAR

[All Mighty]

I doubt it. If you want the goalie you have to pay their price to get him. That price is likely higher than the 5th round pick it would take for another team to retain 50% of what’s left by then.

Well if this trade happens before 2025, you’re asking a 3rd party to pay ~1.5M for a player that won’t play for them. That’s definitely worth more than a 5th. Of course, if you wait until the deadline, then it’s probably closer to a 5th, but I’m not sure they will wait that long.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Well if this trade happens before 2025, you’re asking a 3rd party to pay ~1.5M for a player that won’t play for them. That’s definitely worth more than a 5th. Of course, if you wait until the deadline, then it’s probably closer to a 5th, but I’m not sure they will wait that long.

Not really. The ask is what’s left of his contract at this point which would be like 800k for the retaining team.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

his ability to stay healthy was a major problem with the devils. fully healthy he had good stretches. but the lack of alternatives ruined his health, confidence, performance and relationship with the organization.
blackwood is better than his rep from the devils days. a team lacking the depth to give him rest and cure his injuries, should stay away tough.

thank you for that insight.

 

[All Mighty]

Not really. The ask is what’s left of his contract at this point which would be like 800k for the retaining team.

Ah, I miscalculated, my mistake. I still think it would be more than a 5th, though.

 

[Gecklund]

Fair enough. I'll take your word for it as I don't watch SJ.

What do you think changed between NJ and SJ? A change of scenery? Less pressure because expectations are lower in SJ? More consistent playing time?

My concern with goalies that come to Carolina is that if a guy is used to seeing a lot of shots and regular #1 playing time, that likely won't be the case in Carolina. Carolina plays a systems where goalies don't see a lot of shots for stretches, but when it breaks down, it's often a high danger shot.

One thing I’ve noticed from watching NJD the past few years is their goalies face weird shots. They did a good job of keeping everyone to the outside and limiting shots against or at least most of the time. Then suddenly because their defense wasn’t very good, they give up grade A chances on relatively cold goalies. I watched this happen with Blackwood and Vanecek. This is all eye test and I have no idea if the stats back it up.

With goalie being such a repetition based position, I think that had a lot to do with the stinkers they both put up in NJD. Now I will say neither are high end starter level goalies but I think both are better than Adin Hill who showed that with the right defensive system, you can win with him.

Blackwood especially has made some absolutely highlight reel saves and has been very very good this season. His numbers don’t really show it but also you have to look at our defense and put it in context. Basically if Sharks don’t get at least a 2nd back especially right now, I think the popular opinion on HF is to resign Blackwood and trade or waive Vanecek to bring up Askarov at the TDL.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Ah, I miscalculated, my mistake. I still think it would be more than a 5th, though.

It might be but it wouldn’t come at the Sharks expense.

 

[Le Rosbeef]

I'd rather it was for a prospect like Joel Nystrom. We don't have a plethora of RHD and he's a B prospect who'd be slightly further along than anyone we pick in 2025...

 

[fasterthanlight]

if you expect a 2nd without retention it could get rough.

We will see. I think a 2nd would be high and I'd be very happy about it. But, IDK, maybe I'm delusional, but I do think it's possible. Maybe it will end up being a 3rd and a 5th or something.

 

[ESH]

Does Carolina even need a new goaltender?

 

[Chrispy]

Does Carolina even need a new goaltender?

Andersen is out 8-12 weeks for knee surgery.

Kochetkov has entered the concussion protocol after a nasty friendly fire hit Saturday night.

So the current tandem is Spencer Martin and Yanev Perets, who has an .825 in the AHL this year.

They don't need a long-term solution, but they need somebody to keep them from playing Perets.

 

[DaveG]

Does Carolina even need a new goaltender?

right now yes, long-term who knows.

 

[ViD]

Well, I was close. Colorado got there first

This could be closed

 

[BillR10]

Well, I was close. Colorado got there first

This could be closed

Wait..... How were you "close"? You wanted 50% retention to give up a 3rd. Sharks got a 2nd, moved a 5th up 2 yrs and got a 25 yr old forward without retaining...

 

[67 others]

Anything short of a 2nd round pick, I want the Sharks to re-sign Blackwood and move out Vanecek.

He's a better 1 or 2 year stopgap and eventual backup for Askarov. A perfect teammate for a young goaltender.

He shoots, he scores!

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

While I've learned to never say never, I'll be surprised to see Blackwood get a 2nd round pick or more.

GMs are often dumb though, so you never know.

I stand corrected.

Oh well, guess that's why I'm only a dumb fan.

 

[TheBeard]

Is Carolina interested in Georgiev for a 2081 conditional 19th rounder?

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Wait..... How were you "close"? You wanted 50% retention to give up a 3rd. Sharks got a 2nd, moved a 5th up 2 yrs and got a 25 yr old forward without retaining...

Taking on Georgiev is equivalent to significant retention, perhaps even beyond the limit of what is allowed under the rules.

 

[BillR10]

Taking on Georgiev is equivalent to significant retention, perhaps even beyond the limit of what is allowed under the rules.

Not the same but okay let's say they are. So take them out since its a wash and it's a 3rd vs a 2nd, Kovalenko and moving a 5th rd pick up a few years with potential for it to become a 4th. My point it the OP expected 50% retention on Blackwood to just get a 3rd and nothing else. This is far FAR more than that.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Not the same but okay let's say they are. So take them out since its a wash and it's a 3rd vs a 2nd, Kovalenko and moving a 5th rd pick up a few years with potential for it to become a 4th. My point it the OP expected 50% retention on Blackwood to just get a 3rd and nothing else. This is far FAR more than that.

Not defending ViD patting himself/herself on the back. My point was just that there were cap considerations in the trade, just in a different form than we’ve become accustomed to.

I commend Grier for doing what he needed to do to get that pick. Better goalies, like Lehner in 2020 and Fleury in 2022, have returned similar. Good trade.

 

[CaptainShark]

I do think we will trade blackwood. But I hope it will be for a second.

By the way --- the sharks can't retain.

Money!!!