SJS 2 : LAK 1 - This is why the regular season matters

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Like i said the game is evolving to more speed and skill, however the Kings stand their ground with their slow dump n chase style. There is no skill in this team besides a few guys. Terrible.

I hope we get swept because then Dean would have to actually make some changes and lead us to brighter future again. Brown needs to go asap and i hope that happens after missing playoffs last year and getting swept in 1st round this year
 
That 2014/2015 team was looking scary, too, up until **** hit the fan. Who knows what would have happened that year.

What are you really gonna do, though? Lombardi bent over backwards to assemble what he believed was a room full of consummate pros, and two go off the deep end with drugs, and one starts beating his wife. All in the span of a year, too. How do you possibly prepare for that as a GM?

I don't blame Lombardi for Voynov and Richards. You're taking a hit there regardless.

What I do blame him for are the panic moves following. The Sekera trade, and honestly, the Lucic trade, too. Hindsight is always 20/20, but you have to question the decision of spending assets to fill a forward hole that could have been filled by cash. Williams was coming off a bad year in 2015, sure, but so was everyone. Williams was always nails, and exactly the kind of guy you need in the room in a situation like this. He was the one--not Kopitar, Brown, Quick, not any of those guys--who roused the troops pre-game six in 2012 SCF. That always stuck with me. Williams is a ****ing warrior, man, and down year or not, you let him just walk? And for entirely reasonable money, too.

Idk. Really have to scratch your head with that, considering the assets parted with to bring in Lucic, and the fact that he's likely not going to re-sign. You send Jones somewhere else, draft Conner, and you have Miller still in the system. Really, really questionable asset management, but that's been Lombardi's problem since 2014.

It was too much to give up for Lucic and he's always been one of my favorite NHL players. Even if he re-signs, it was too much. They'll probably re-sign him at 6-8 years at $6.5 million and it'll kill them in 3 years. He's certainly helped a ton (top 5 in scoring in the regular season and one of the few guys who's looked like he's cared in the playoffs) but it was too much.

This series comes down to Kopitar, Carter, Doughty, and Quick. Blame Shore. Blame King. Blame the lack of depth. It comes down to those 4 guys. Pavelski, Thornton, Burns, and Couture are dominating those guys. Toffoli too. He's part of the core going forwards and he was absolutely awful in game 2. Pavelski by himself has outscored Kopitar, Carter, and Doughty. Kings will go no where if that continues. Either Kopitar, Carter, Doughty, and Quick step up or the Kings will be embarrassed and lose in 4-5 games.
 
Like i said the game is evolving to more speed and skill, however the Kings stand their ground with their slow dump n chase style. There is no skill in this team besides a few guys. Terrible.

I hope we get swept because then Dean would have to actually make some changes and lead us to brighter future again. Brown needs to go asap and i hope that happens after missing playoffs last year and getting swept in 1st round this year

It's unlikely Brown can be moved without retained salary. With the expansion draft coming up it doesn't make a lot of sense to trade him before that. (Potentially losing him for nothing) I find it amusing that the expansion draft may help keep Brown on the team another year.

Another change this year is they're hitting guys, but the puck has already moved on. They're finishing checks and not hitting guys that have the puck to cause turnovers. They aren't getting pressure on the forecheck. That is what Kings hockey is. Also don't have that borderline player with that physical spark. Lucic isn't sneaking up on anyone. He's for grinding it out in the corner and smashing guys. The team needs a Richards or Brown to flatten a skill guy on the other team and set a tone.

The clogged up neutral zone just sucks for the Kings. They've relied on slowing the game down which helps the D make breakout passes. Now a team backing off and clogging up the neutral zone feeds on the biggest weakness of the Kings. Mediocre, physical forwards (Brown/Lewis....) trying to move through a clogged neutral zone. Turnovers while transitioning to offense are one of the best ways to score against the Kings.

Pretty much the system depends on the other team pressuring in the Kings defensive zone. Players stepping up create openings. If everyone just falls back the Kings are screwed. You can see it at the end of games when Kings are trailing and on the breakout of the PP (Kopi/Doughty do ok on the first one) Sutter has 2 games to find a solution. (I say put Schenn out there. You know he will ice the puck so as soon as the pass is going to go to Schenn have someone start skating to beat out the icing.:laugh:)

Clifford/Andy/Steeger showed that it is more then possible to grind it out against this team. They were also out there against some of the Sharks better lines at times.
 
Sutter is right though. They need a lot more from their top players. They're simply not getting it done and the top players for San Jose have done almost all of the work for their team.
 
It was too much to give up for Lucic and he's always been one of my favorite NHL players. Even if he re-signs, it was too much. They'll probably re-sign him at 6-8 years at $6.5 million and it'll kill them in 3 years. He's certainly helped a ton (top 5 in scoring in the regular season and one of the few guys who's looked like he's cared in the playoffs) but it was too much.

Jones wouldn't help the Kings right now.
Either of the RHD the Kings recently traded wouldn't be helping right now.
The first wouldn't be helping right now.

Trading those assets for a D would just move the hole to the top 6.
 
Sutter is right though. They need a lot more from their top players. They're simply not getting it done and the top players for San Jose have done almost all of the work for their team.

Good to hear Sutter has figured out what the problem is. Can't wait for him to win his first playoff game in 2 years.
 
The Kings were picked by a large majority of writers to get to the Finals this year. Stating the series so far has only been two (one goal) games demonstrates, to me, how good both teams are.

I see the strength in SJ defensive lines that I've not witnessed before. Match that with team leadership on the ice and a coach who knows what he's doing...tough to beat. Sharks got hammered in face-off stats but seemed to win them when they mattered.

Gaborik looks like he hasn't been out at all. Such a great player. Sutter is a heck of a coach and I expect the Kings to take one game in SJ. After 4 I say it's 3-1 series. With LA having 2 of the 3 home games remaining. Ice bag hockey.
 
Not sure why Shore played over AA, makes no sense considering how well AA has been playing. Really starting to question Sutter's decision making lately.
 
I guess having a defenseman capable of completing a pass and directing shots on net has to count as impressive considering how crappy everyone else has performed. Especially Doughty.
 
Is there a grace period on Kopitar's contract?

$10 million disappearing act.


This is what bugs me the most. A lot of players didn't show up, but probably none more than Kopitar compared to what they're supposed to bring. Just signed a $10 million dollar contract and wants to be captain next season but when he's supposed to be showing up the most he's been pretty non-existent in these playoffs so far. 1 shot in 2 games isn't going to get it done.
 
Let's be thankful that we may be seeing Dustin Brown's last games as a King. Thanks for the memories but it's time to move on.

I don't think anyone is going to take Brown in any trade that benefits us though. What sucks is you can really see him putting in effort on and off the ice to try to lead by example, a much better attitude for a captain than Kopitar's inconsistency, but Brown just doesn't make good decisions enough anymore and doesn't have the offense he used to.

I feel bad for Lecavalier. I think he played well for us. I'd love it if there was some way we could keep him next season at a discounted rate.

I have to admit the Lucic trade has done better for us this season than I thought it would, but resigning him to a long term deal at the price he's going to want would be a big mistake.

The stupidity of the Sekera trade still bugs me. Lombardi made a massive mistake with that one. That's what really sucks. He sold a piece of the teams future for the opportunity to win now and ended up giving away a top draft pick for nothing. When you pair the senseless risk on Sekera along with the teams lackluster efforts last season and so far these playoffs and it really just seems like hopes for this season and the next few years are dimming. Hopefully I'm wrong.
 
As a Sharks fan, I have to say, Jamie McBain was actually pretty impressive last night.

He was, playing like he is a UFA, trying to get a better deal. The guy is a good puck moving defense man. Hopefully Kings can ink him to play here again next year and give him the ice time he deserves.

Gravel also needs to play next year, he is big enough to fill that grinding role, but also has some wheels, vs the a couple of the slugs we have skating back there now.

They will probably keep McNabb because he is an RFA, and they can control his cost.
Or hoping he gets an offer sheet, :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, Gravel, McBain, Greene, and McNabb are probably what we are looking at next year.
 
One reason the kings have looked mostly lifeless is that the Sharks have figured out their dump-ins. Everybody thinks that Sutter is brilliant, but he's being out coached right now by Deboers. Sutter needs to fix the zone entries before tomorrow or the Kings will be toast. If the Kings can't recover the puck on a regular basis, they look like complete garbage. A couple of teams have figured this out and eat the Kings alive. Sharks, Devils.

Good news is that this problem is a tactical issue that can be addressed. Hopefully the coaching staff fixes it fast.
 
He was, playing like he is a UFA, trying to get a better deal. The guy is a good puck moving defense man. Hopefully Kings can ink him to play here again next year and give him the ice time he deserves.

Gravel also needs to play next year, he is big enough to fill that grinding role, but also has some wheels, vs the a couple of the slugs we have skating back there now.

They will probably keep McNabb because he is an RFA, and they can control his cost.
Or hoping he gets an offer sheet, :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, Gravel, McBain, Greene, and McNabb are probably what we are looking at next year.

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Poor Vinny, he looks like he's seriously playing his heart out and wants to win, if only that could be said for everyone else.
He has 4 goals against the Sharks this year, Kopitar has zero
 
I know with all the doom in gloom its not what people want to hear but I thought we outplayed them for much of the game (not all). Big differences between the two games in terms of face-offs and puck control.

Sure they did well clogging the neutral zone but big deal it's not like they aren't a good team but we out-shot them, out drew them, and out hit them in a one goal game loss when that goal was on a mystical magical gift of a 5-3 PP.

Lucic needs to stop just hitting people and go to the net, Kopitar could really use a break against the top line and hold on to the puck, Carter should get all the minutes that exist because he is seemingly the only guy that remembers that the Kings skate the damn puck into the zone not dump and chase for the whole gosh darn season and for the past 5 years!, we are actually missing both old-Clifford and Nolan the new guys just don't have the combination of physicality that we normally had on the 4th line, and McBain is so much better then the alternatives it's just painful.

It's the playoffs. Good teams lose. Great teams lose. Hell anyone remember a certain Kings-Red Wings series a few years ago? Doesn't mean radical crazy changes just means **** happens when things are actually hard and playoff hockey is remarkably hard.
 
I know with all the doom in gloom its not what people want to hear but I thought we outplayed them for much of the game (not all). Big differences between the two games in terms of face-offs and puck control.

Sure they did well clogging the neutral zone but big deal it's not like they aren't a good team but we out-shot them, out drew them, and out hit them in a one goal game loss when that goal was on a mystical magical gift of a 5-3 PP.

Lucic needs to stop just hitting people and go to the net, Kopitar could really use a break against the top line and hold on to the puck, Carter should get all the minutes that exist because he is seemingly the only guy that remembers that the Kings skate the damn puck into the zone not dump and chase for the whole gosh darn season and for the past 5 years!, we are actually missing both old-Clifford and Nolan the new guys just don't have the combination of physicality that we normally had on the 4th line, and McBain is so much better then the alternatives it's just painful.

It's the playoffs. Good teams lose. Great teams lose. Hell anyone remember a certain Kings-Red Wings series a few years ago? Doesn't mean radical crazy changes just means **** happens when things are actually hard and playoff hockey is remarkably hard.

This is a joke right? Unless you're excluding passing, shooting, skating etc, then yeah, Kings outplayed them.
 
Jones wouldn't help the Kings right now.
Either of the RHD the Kings recently traded wouldn't be helping right now.
The first wouldn't be helping right now.

Trading those assets for a D would just move the hole to the top 6.

Which is exactly why Lombardi should have just re-signed Williams.

The real issue here, as usual, is that Brown is being paid like a top flight winger who should be putting up at least 20-30-50, and instead he's putting up half of that. He's making more money than EVERY winger we have, and he's #6 if not #7 on the winger depth chart right now.

But Brown being an albatross is not exactly groundbreaking information.
 
The Kings were picked by a large majority of writers to get to the Finals this year. Stating the series so far has only been two (one goal) games demonstrates, to me, how good both teams are.

I see the strength in SJ defensive lines that I've not witnessed before. Match that with team leadership on the ice and a coach who knows what he's doing...tough to beat. Sharks got hammered in face-off stats but seemed to win them when they mattered.

Gaborik looks like he hasn't been out at all. Such a great player. Sutter is a heck of a coach and I expect the Kings to take one game in SJ. After 4 I say it's 3-1 series. With LA having 2 of the 3 home games remaining. Ice bag hockey.

And no analyst on planet earth picked the Kings for the finals in 2012 or 2014.

Most Kings fans had small expectations for these playoffs considering how poorly the Kings have played for months now. And the Sharks are just holding on to these wins. Neither of these teams look like real contenders at the moment, to be honest.
 

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