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If you're suggesting the Kings' struggles in this series are because of psychological damage done by Quick and are equating the Kings with Quick to the Canadiens with Condon, I'm sorry, I'm not going to ever buy that line of reasoning.

Do you really disagree with my statement that faulting only Quick when Kopitar and Doughty are no-shows at best is shortsighted? Or are you just searching for another opportunity to Quick-bash? Because you can do that without piggybacking off me.

I think Quick can be better, but we're hardly in this mess because of goaltending.
 
I think the Kings are going to win this series.

The Sharks played their 'A' game in the first two matches. They pulled out a couple one-goal victories against a Kings team that played poorly.

The Kings will get better as the series goes on. They only need to play their 'C' game in order to beat the Sharks. The Sharks have to play their 'A' game in order to beat the Kings.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
If you're suggesting the Kings' struggles in this series are because of psychological damage done by Quick and are equating the Kings with Quick to the Canadiens with Condon, I'm sorry, I'm not going to ever buy that line of reasoning.

Do you really disagree with my statement that faulting only Quick when Kopitar and Doughty are no-shows at best is shortsighted? Or are you just searching for another opportunity to Quick-bash? Because you can do that without piggybacking off me.

I think Quick can be better, but we're hardly in this mess because of goaltending.
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of course i took an extreme example to make a point

point is Quick has been below average for awhile now, add to that the team isn't scoring, add to that our D is garbage and i agree

but if... Quick had ''Hasek type nights'' where he'd stop 49 out of 50 shots, we would be winning games 2-1, 1-0 and no one would say a word

Quick has made some incredible saves over the past couple of years, but i can't recall a game where he literally ROBBED the opponent of a win (and not because of that one split save, i really mean a 60 minute over the top performance)

games where the Kings had no business winning, remember those?

i.e. LA 17 shots on goal, where was Kopitar? where was player X, Y, Z? ...oh but it didn't matter on that night because QUICK made 38 saves for the shutout and Kings steal a game 2-0!

recall any headlines like that?

Elliott is having a couple of those, and the Blues aren't exactly lighting it up

Price, Holtby, etc...

throw 40 shots at Quick and we most likely have a bloodbath, but you'd probably blame Doughty
 
KingPuckChoo said:
of course i took an extreme example to make a point

point is Quick has been below average for awhile now, add to that the team isn't scoring, add to that our D is garbage and i agree

but if... Quick had ''Hasek type nights'' where he'd stop 49 out of 50 shots, we would be winning games 2-1, 1-0 and no one would say a word

Quick has made some incredible saves over the past couple of years, but i can't recall a game where he literally ROBBED the opponent

games where the Kings had no business winning, remember those?

i.e. LA 17 shots on goal, where was Kopitar? where was player X, Y, Z? ...oh but it didn't matter on that night because QUICK made 38 saves for the shutout and Kings steal a game 2-0!

recall any headlines like that?

Elliott is having a couple of those, and the Blues aren't exactly lighting it up

Price, Holtby, etc...

throw 40 shots at Quick and we most likely have a bloodbath, but you'd probably blame Doughty
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You don't recall? Did you become a fan after 2012?
 
KingPuckChoo said:
of course i took an extreme example to make a point

point is Quick has been below average for awhile now, add to that the team isn't scoring, add to that our D is garbage and i agree

but if... Quick had ''Hasek type nights'' where he'd stop 49 out of 50 shots, we would be winning games 2-1, 1-0 and no one would say a word

Quick has made some incredible saves over the past couple of years, but i can't recall a game where he literally ROBBED the opponent of a win (and not because of that one split save, i really mean a 60 minute over the top performance)

games where the Kings had no business winning, remember those?

i.e. LA 17 shots on goal, where was Kopitar? where was player X, Y, Z? ...oh but it didn't matter on that night because QUICK made 38 saves for the shutout and Kings steal a game 2-0!

recall any headlines like that?

Elliott is having a couple of those, and the Blues aren't exactly lighting it up

Price, Holtby, etc...

throw 40 shots at Quick and we most likely have a bloodbath, but you'd probably blame Doughty
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If you think Quick hasn't stolen any games in the last several years, the conversation has to stop there and you know why.

I even pointed out that Quick can be better. And you're agreeing with me that it's team-wide issues. I agree that can be 'solved' by a goalie stealing a game and that in this two-game sample size it hasn't happened yet.

The difference is I think the best is yet to come, but you want to submarine him. That's fine, agree to disagree and move on.
 
KingPuckChoo said:
point is Quick has been below average for awhile now, add to that the team isn't scoring, add to that our D is garbage and i agree

throw 40 shots at Quick and we most likely have a bloodbath, but you'd probably blame Doughty
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You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Quick is undefeated in his entire career when facing 40 shots or more.

Pretty amazing that a team with a below average goaltender and a "garbage" defense could have the the 3rd best GAA in the entire NHL.
 
guys i'm only talking about 2014-2015-2016

since Quick had his surgery

since the year we didn't make the playoffs and this year's 0-2 start
 
LOL @ people reading whatever they want to read and then quick to press the BLAST button

Quick was epic in 2012

i think some of us have been critical of QUick's goaltending since last year

i know it's fun to put an unpopular opinion down, but don't insult my intelligence

you think i'm talking about the year Quick won the Conn Smythe?

no point in arguing with you guys

enjoy the 8 saves he'll make on the first 10 shots
 
KingPuckChoo said:
LOL @ people reading whatever they want to read and then quick to press the BLAST button

Quick was epic in 2012

i think some of us have been critical of QUick's goaltending since last year

i know it's fun to put an unpopular opinion down, but don't insult my intelligence

you think i'm talking about the year Quick won the Conn Smythe?

no point in arguing with you guys

enjoy the 8 saves he'll make on the first 10 shots
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So what's your solution to the so called Quick problem? Enroth?
 
johnjm22 said:
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Quick is undefeated in his entire career when facing 40 shots or more.

Pretty amazing that a team with a below average goaltender and a "garbage" defense could have the the 3rd best GAA in the entire NHL.
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if you think a team that has at least 2 or 3 of the following Ds as part of their Top 6

McNabb
Schenn
Scuderi
McBain
Gravel
Greene
Schultz
Forbort

anything less than garbage? then you are the one that is completely clueless my friend

Doughty, Muzzin, and Martinez is what is holding the d-core together

the bottom 3 is atrocious
 
KingPuckChoo said:
guys i'm only talking about 2014-2015-2016

since Quick had his surgery

since the year we didn't make the playoffs and this year's 0-2 start
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You're memory must not last longer than a week.

12/17/15 - "Jonathan Quick made an incredible 45 saves and recorded his 39th career shutout as the Los Angeles Kings blanked the Montreal Canadiens 3-0 on Thursday night at Centre Bell Arena."
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/s...ves-as-Kings-Conquer-Canadiens-362888821.html

10/23/15 - "Quick posted a 2-0-0 record with a 1.00 goals-against average, .971 save percentage and one shutout...He stopped all 40 shots he faced to pick up his 38th career shutout in a 3-0 victory over the Carolina Hurricanes"
http://lakingsinsider.com/2015/10/26/quick-named-weeks-third-star/
 
kingsholygrail said:
So what's your solution to the so called Quick problem? Enroth?
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the same solution to our garbage D

NOTHING!!!

but blaming Carter, Kopitar, Toffoli, Sutter, Shore, Clifford, or whoever you like

is not the problem!

we've never been a high scoring team under the Lombardi regime

NEVER

NEVER NEVER NEVER !!!

we've always been a low scoring team

but now Quick isn't providing us with the saves like he did before

so now some of you blind people point fingers at Kopitar et al

we've scored 4 goals in 2 games, to me that's typical Kings

allowing 6 goals in 2 games though...

two things changed: 1) Quick 2) bottom 3 D

solution?: NOTHING

so because there is no solution we should avoid the topic? get out of here, i'm allowed to show my frustration with Quick just as much as you're allowed to blame the Kings woes on lack of scoring

but i guess YOU were the one that wasn't a Kings fan in 2012... we weren't scoring much back then either
 
johnjm22 said:
You're memory must not last longer than a week.

12/17/15 - "Jonathan Quick made an incredible 45 saves and recorded his 39th career shutout as the Los Angeles Kings blanked the Montreal Canadiens 3-0 on Thursday night at Centre Bell Arena."
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/s...ves-as-Kings-Conquer-Canadiens-362888821.html

10/23/15 - "Quick posted a 2-0-0 record with a 1.00 goals-against average, .971 save percentage and one shutout...He stopped all 40 shots he faced to pick up his 38th career shutout in a 3-0 victory over the Carolina Hurricanes"
http://lakingsinsider.com/2015/10/26/quick-named-weeks-third-star/
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are you serious? are you seriously bringing me a Carolina and Montreal game as proof???

ok let me be more specific

when i said hasek type game stealing wins

i don't mean that random game where nothing matters

i mean more like: scenario 1: the season is on the line win this game vs CGY (circa 2014) and Kings make the playoffs....Kings dominate the game (pick any vs CGY last year) and we LOSE!!! go look at how many shots CGY threw at Quick

scenario 2: still last season... important game vs EDM, we win this and we qualify, go check the results

scenario 3: 2016, hey we could clinch first place! hurray! but oh boy...the Kings aren't showing up, no one's scoring goals...if only Quick can STEAL a few games for us that would be fantastic

scenario 4: 2015-16 take an avg of all the games we played vs SJ & ANA

scenario 5: btw Quick wasn't all that hot in the 2014 playoffs either but he was good enough, so let's leave that one alone


But maybe you're not understanding my Hasek reference, maybe you're too young i dunno

but Hasek wasn't known as being Hasek because he stole a game vs the Hartford Whalers

Hasek got his reputation because for most games during his prime, BUFFALO HAD LITTLE TO NO BUSINESS BEING IN THE PLAYOFFS

heck you could blame the entire team, just like you guys are doing w/ LA, avg D, avg offence...but guess who stopped it all, without coming up with excuses like you guys keep doing when it comes to Quick (it was a deflected shot, screen shot, 2 on1, 3 on 2, McNabb is infront of the net, it was this, it was that blablabla always an excuse with you guys)

now why am i comparing Quick to Hasek? because we certainly hold Quick in a high regard, we claim he's an elite goalie, he is acrobatic, he's won the Conn Smythe, two SC, Vezina nominee, team USA...etc.. so yes it's very fair to compare him with the greats

HIS DAMN PLAY FELL OFF THE PAST TWO SEASONS

JUST FACE IT !!!
 
I guess in your world it shouldn't affect Quick that there are 20 *******s in front of him that can't score a goal to save thier lives? Quick can't let in a single goal or they lose the game, but that's totally fine?
 
KingPuckChoo said:
the same solution to our garbage D

NOTHING!!!

but blaming Carter, Kopitar, Toffoli, Sutter, Shore, Clifford, or whoever you like

is not the problem!

we've never been a high scoring team under the Lombardi regime

NEVER

NEVER NEVER NEVER !!!

we've always been a low scoring team

but now Quick isn't providing us with the saves like he did before

so now some of you blind people point fingers at Kopitar et al

we've scored 4 goals in 2 games, to me that's typical Kings

allowing 6 goals in 2 games though...

two things changed: 1) Quick 2) bottom 3 D

solution?: NOTHING

so because there is no solution we should avoid the topic? get out of here, i'm allowed to show my frustration with Quick just as much as you're allowed to blame the Kings woes on lack of scoring

but i guess YOU were the one that wasn't a Kings fan in 2012... we weren't scoring much back then either
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It's no one persons fault, Quick hasn't been making the greatest saves, but he did keep us within the chance of winning the game last night. The players didn't step up when they needed to, if they did they would have scored. Carter missed a big chance in the 1st game, Kopitar didn't win the few draws that really mattered, Toffoli and Lucic got those 2 stupid penalties which gave them the 5on3, and Quick let in the 1st goal which was pretty weak. It's pretty much the whole team under performing, he probably hasn't been doing all he's can, but neither has any of our other players.
 
KingPuckChoo said:
are you serious? are you seriously bringing me a Carolina and Montreal game as proof???
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You said: "throw 40 shots at Quick and we most likely have a bloodbath"

You were wrong. Those are just two examples of Quick shutting out teams when facing over 40. Those are just from this year. As I said, Quick is undefeated in his career when facing over 40 shots.

Quick had a very solid season. The Kings were one of the best defensive teams in the NHL.

Stop being a chicken little. This series isn't over yet. I think the Kings will still probably take the series.
 
Down 0-2, I think it's time to give Jones a start and see how he deals with the stresses of playoff hockey.
 
The goalposts, they are moving

Be dissatisfied with Quick if you like, all I said is he's not THE problem. Obviously if he went supernova we'd be fine--but counting on that is foolish. "Blaming" others doesn't absolve Quick completely.

Honestly KPC you just want people to go full nuclear on Quick and it's not going to happen when there are so many other, clear, more prominent issues.
 
KingPuckChoo said:
the same solution to our garbage D

NOTHING!!!

but blaming Carter, Kopitar, Toffoli, Sutter, Shore, Clifford, or whoever you like

is not the problem!

we've never been a high scoring team under the Lombardi regime

NEVER

NEVER NEVER NEVER !!!

we've always been a low scoring team

but now Quick isn't providing us with the saves like he did before

so now some of you blind people point fingers at Kopitar et al

we've scored 4 goals in 2 games, to me that's typical Kings

allowing 6 goals in 2 games though...

two things changed: 1) Quick 2) bottom 3 D

solution?: NOTHING

so because there is no solution we should avoid the topic? get out of here, i'm allowed to show my frustration with Quick just as much as you're allowed to blame the Kings woes on lack of scoring

but i guess YOU were the one that wasn't a Kings fan in 2012... we weren't scoring much back then either
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We lost a lot of depth down the middle with prime Richards and prime Stoll vanishing. We also lost Mitchell, Voynov, Regehr and prime Scuds. That is a huge amount of experience and ability to walk out the door and be replaced by rookies, over the hills, and bottom pairing fillers.

The defensive backbone of the team took a huge hit. Pinning it all on Quick doesn't seem reasonable to me.
 
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