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Speedy skilled guys that can't grind don't work in LA's system. That system that won two cups. Anaheim, San Jose, and St. Louis have all evolved to match LA and Chicago.

LA needs to win game 3. Don't care about anything else right now.
 
Jason Lewis said:
Yep. Certainly a high risk reward factor to it. I mean, San Jose DID get a shorty scored on em.

I'm not sure how many teams out there run a diamond kill. Collapsing box seems to be standard for whatever reason. Maybe we see a change since more teams are going 1-3-1 these days.
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I would think a diamond would be a disaster against anything BUT a 1-3-1 since it leaves everyone vulnerable to cross-passes down low. Heck, that could even happen vs. a 1-3-1 if communication goes wrong. but the problem is the box just gets outnumbered EVERYWHERE in a 1-3-1, eventually you either get a guy out of position and get what you want, or you put a shot through, as you diagrammed, traffic city. And when you have elite players/playmakers that have played together as long as the top Sharks have, they're lethal at reading one another in a way that those other teams you showed aren't (i.e. Arizona has OEL manning the point and some other potent young talent but that's it).

I'd LOVE to think Doughty would be excellent at the top of it, though. I'm just more worried about how to stop it right now :laugh:
 
I heard the word ''wide'' so many times last night. Seemed like the only things the Kings could do were to tip the puck and hope for the best. Jones was hardly tested.

Imagine the Kings and Hawks being eliminated round 1, maybe that era is coming to an end...
 
Sword said:
I heard the word ''wide'' so many times last night. Seemed like the only things the Kings could do were to tip the puck and hope for the best. Jones was hardly tested.

Imagine the Kings and Hawks being eliminated round 1, maybe that era is coming to an end...
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It definitely is, Chicago's defense didn't implode (**** you Voynov) so they got to enjoy their success longer than we did. It went by all too fast after 40 years of suck, ****ing depressing...
 
Omni Owl said:
It definitely is, Chicago's defense didn't implode (**** you Voynov) so they got to enjoy their success longer than we did. It went by all too fast after 40 years of suck, ****ing depressing...
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We're not done yet, and two cups in three years is something most franchises wish for. Enjoy whatever is left.
 
Butch 19 said:
Quick?
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It definitely would help if he didn't surrender a goal when he's faced less than 10 shots, let alone the first shot of the game. Seems like it's been a while since he's had a consistent string of games where his save percentage was above .920. Just take a gander at his save percentage, it's been very inconsistent since late February.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/4147/gamelog/
 
i have a hard time laying the game at Quick's feet when we scored one goal is all.

can he play much, much better? Sure. So can Doughty, Kopitar, and most of our top players. They're just all sucking in sync right now.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
I feel like I'm in an extreme minority but I still feel like this is a lot like 2014, just not as extreme...

Sharks getting just about every break and bounce and still winning each game by 1 and the Kings are still stuck in neutral while the Sharks are flying high.

THe biggest difference in the series has been the top players, rather than the depth--in fact, can anyone remember anything of note a Shark NOT named Burns, Pavelski, Hertl, Thornton has done? Obviously the problem is NO Kings have done anything of note yet--I guess the problem I'm having is that I don't believe these guys are just going to silently go away by playing just as bad or worse. I think the best is yet to come and that we're gonna go back to L.A. 2-2.

Regardless, I love these guys, I'm going to enjoy it. Heart/effort isn't the question for me. I said last year the rest of the league was going to catch up to us and it appears it's already happening. Sometimes you just have to respect your opponent and their game plan. I know we're critical because we know these guys have more--but let's believe in that last part.
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Sharks getting all the bounces really isn't true, though. Kings were on the right side of puck luck in game one. That game would have been 5 or 6 to 1 if not for our bounces.

Game two was more of an officiating issue. The deciding goal was scored on a miracle gift 5v3. But the Kings have been on the **** side of officiating all year long. Didn't they have the worst PP/PK ratio in the league?

It wouldn't at all surprise if there has been a concerted behind-closed-doors effort to crack down on obstruction, and the Kings were specifically singled out. I mean, our style is sort of synonymous with that, or so goes the belief. Cracking down on the Kings specifically would be sending a message, I guess.

Idk. Can't really think of any other reason for the Kings to have such abysmal PP/PK ratio all year. They've been on the wrong side of the officiating far more than Lady Luck. Like I said, they got nerfed and didn't read the patch notes. :laugh:
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
I feel like I'm in an extreme minority but I still feel like this is a lot like 2014, just not as extreme...

Sharks getting just about every break and bounce and still winning each game by 1 and the Kings are still stuck in neutral while the Sharks are flying high.

THe biggest difference in the series has been the top players, rather than the depth--in fact, can anyone remember anything of note a Shark NOT named Burns, Pavelski, Hertl, Thornton has done? Obviously the problem is NO Kings have done anything of note yet--I guess the problem I'm having is that I don't believe these guys are just going to silently go away by playing just as bad or worse. I think the best is yet to come and that we're gonna go back to L.A. 2-2.

Regardless, I love these guys, I'm going to enjoy it. Heart/effort isn't the question for me. I said last year the rest of the league was going to catch up to us and it appears it's already happening. Sometimes you just have to respect your opponent and their game plan. I know we're critical because we know these guys have more--but let's believe in that last part.
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Their top players have been light years better than ours, plain and simple.
 
SettlementRichie10 said:
Sharks getting all the bounces really isn't true, though. Kings were on the right side of puck luck in game one. That game would have been 5 or 6 to 1 if not for our bounces.

Game two was more of an officiating issue. The deciding goal was scored on a miracle gift 5v3. But the Kings have been on the **** side of officiating all year long. Didn't they have the worst PP/PK ratio in the league?

It wouldn't at all surprise if there has been a concerted behind-closed-doors effort to crack down on obstruction, and the Kings were specifically singled out. I mean, our style is sort of synonymous with that, or so goes the belief. Cracking down on the Kings specifically would be sending a message, I guess.

Idk. Can't really think of any other reason for the Kings to have such abysmal PP/PK ratio all year. They've been on the wrong side of the officiating far more than Lady Luck.
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This is such a BS argument right here.

When the Kings played The Canucks back in the 1st round in the 1st cup run Canuck fans whined and cried that they kept getting too man calls against them.

Truth is is that The Kings just completely outplayed them.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
I would think a diamond would be a disaster against anything BUT a 1-3-1 since it leaves everyone vulnerable to cross-passes down low. Heck, that could even happen vs. a 1-3-1 if communication goes wrong. but the problem is the box just gets outnumbered EVERYWHERE in a 1-3-1, eventually you either get a guy out of position and get what you want, or you put a shot through, as you diagrammed, traffic city. And when you have elite players/playmakers that have played together as long as the top Sharks have, they're lethal at reading one another in a way that those other teams you showed aren't (i.e. Arizona has OEL manning the point and some other potent young talent but that's it).

I'd LOVE to think Doughty would be excellent at the top of it, though. I'm just more worried about how to stop it right now :laugh:
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Exactly. I think what you stated is why teams shy away from diamond in general
 
They're not forcing the Sharks to take penalties. They're not forcing Jones to make saves. They're not playing playoff hockey.
 
savemefromtears said:
This is such a BS argument right here.

When the Kings played The Canucks back in the 1st round in the 1st cup run Canuck fans whined and cried that they kept getting too man calls against them.

Truth is is that The Kings just completely outplayed them.
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I'm not disagreeing. You create your own luck, which is why I disagreed with Racoon's original statement. But you also can't deny that officiating has been heavily titled against us all year. That's not a homer opinion. That's a fact. We had the 29th worst PP/PL differential in the entire league. It's not why we're losing, but it's a problem.

It's also exacerbated by our totally awful PK.
 
Butch 19 said:
Jones had a relatively easy game.

The Kings gave him very little sustained pressure - except for the one goal of course.
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Yep, when he has been pressured, he's looked very beatable. Also, part of the problem is our guys missed the net so many time, Sutter even called them out for it. I'm pretty sure Doughty hit the exact same spot behind the net 3 straight times on one pp.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
i have a hard time laying the game at Quick's feet when we scored one goal is all.

can he play much, much better? Sure. So can Doughty, Kopitar, and most of our top players. They're just all sucking in sync right now.
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let me ease that for you

people say the same thing about the habs this year, it's not Condon's fault, the habs aren't scoring!

there is an intangible known as PSYCHOLOGY

you cannot measure it, you cannot plug it on a excel sheet but that doesn't mean it's not real

when your goalie lets in a goal on the first 8 to 15 shots for the past two years, it eventually sneaks in your psyche and you don't have the same confidence you once did in your goaltender

can that lead to players scoring less goals? definitely; that extra boost of energy you'd gain from a reliable goalie is an important difference maker

the habs were scoring more goals when Price was in net than with Condon

is it Condon's fault? yes! he sucks!! the fact that the habs knew they had to score 4-6 goals to win a game...

anyways i still don't understand why people don't see a correlation between everyone on ice

it is so obvious

it would effect me if i were on the ice, i'd calculate it unconsciously in my head and try to make sure the opposing team doesn't even shoot at the net, because i know, regardless of what i do...the first 8 shots will guarantee a goal
 
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