Confirmed with Link: Sheldon Keefe extended 2 years

[capfit9]

just getting his boys some coin before he's (dufas) is done after this season, makes no sense to reward the collapse and optically probably the reason they delayed the announcement until now.

 

[The CyNick]

Guess ownership thinks the North Division Title is our Stanley Cup ?

It seems like it based on the Amazon show.

 

[The CyNick]

OMG OMG 2 years

so what, all it means is that his buyout cheque will be a little fatter if they fire him at the end of this year or hopefully Keefe drives them all the way and the Leafs have a SC winning coach on a team friendly deal next year

It's a bad sign in my opinion.

Last year already should have been a make it or break year for this management group. They were gifted a path to the conference finals. And then they blew it. And then got together and went that was a great season boys, let's not change anything about the team on the ice or the front office.

An outsider would say okay this has to be the last chance for everyone, right up to Shanny. If I were ownership I wouldn't give any of these guys any assurances that they survive this season, let alone two seasons from now. It goes to show ownership is happy with mediocrity and that filters down to the players. You get paid and rewarded financially before you prove anything on the ice. Then they wonder why you can't get proper effort out of people.

 

[Madap]

I can not wait for the season to start. This board has been unbearable all offseason. So many pathetic posters crying about every single little thing, most of which have zero relevance.

Who cares if Keefe got extended for 2 years? It means nothing and everyone know it. Lots of grown men throwing a temper tantrum just because they don’t like Dubas.

 

[Leafslet]

He is sadly among the worse coach in the NHL. He overplays players to the point of exhaustion. Does not know how to coach on the road without last change. He is not a great person and lacks critical thinking.

why isnt he a good person?

 

[yubbers]

I think its funny that people think Keefe, with his track record, will have any trouble finding another job.

What track record? Dude played in the house league Canadian division all last season.

Why does everyone keep ignoring this? Scotty Bowman......*facepalm* you Dubas folk are never ending comedy.

 

[Leafslet]

Nope. And it was 6.75 x8 with a NMC I got that from the source.
It is public knowledge.

The contract could be off the table now. I have not talked to him for a while now.

lmao wut??

 

[Madap]

you should hang out in the Habs or Bruins board , there fans f***ing love Dubas

I don’t care if people don’t like Dubas. He’s certainly not perfect.

But to come into every single thread crying about him is ridiculous. Save it for when he actually does something that deserves criticism. Some posters just look pathetic at this point.

 

[Leafslet]

I can not wait for the season to start. This board has been unbearable all offseason. So many pathetic posters crying about every single little thing, most of which have zero relevance.

Who cares if Keefe got extended for 2 years? It means nothing and everyone know it. Lots of grown men throwing a temper tantrum just because they don’t like Dubas.

umm, they prefer to be called ppc voters.

 

[FiveHoleo]

I don’t care if people don’t like Dubas. He’s certainly not perfect.

But to come into every single thread crying about him is ridiculous. Save it for when he actually does something that deserves criticism. Some posters just look pathetic at this point.

Uh, I guess you forgot how we were the up and coming future dynasty of the NHL with an embarrassment of depth and talent until Dubas frittered it all away because he doesn't understand how to negotiate a contract or construct a roster. Now we are the top heavy perennial first round failures who are hoping that the a bunch of failed prospects and retreads can play in the top 6 at league minimum. Yeah, good job Dubas. He deserves every bit of criticism he gets, including on here for taking care of his boy Keefe for no good reason.

 

[Leafslet]

do we know the value of the extension btw? just curious to know what keefe earns in relation to babcock.

 

[zeke]

Uh, I guess you forgot how we were the up and coming future dynasty of the NHL with an embarrassment of depth and talent until Dubas frittered it all away because he doesn't understand how to negotiate a contract or construct a roster. Now we are the top heavy perennial first round failures who are hoping that the a bunch of failed prospects and retreads can play in the top 6 at league minimum. Yeah, good job Dubas. He deserves every bit of criticism he gets, including on here for taking care of his boy Keefe for no good reason.

Depth (asterisk = ELC)

21-22 Leafs vs 17-18 Leafs

Matthews ----- Matthews*
Marner --------- Marner*
Nylander ------ Nylander*

Tavares ------- Kadri
Bunting ------- Hyman
Ritchie --------- JVR

Kerfoot ------- Bozak
Spezza -------- Marleau
Kase ----------- Brown

Kampf ------- Plekanec
Mikheyev ------ Komarov
Simmonds ------ Martin

Robertson* ------- Kapanen*
Engvall ---------- Johnsson*



Rielly ----------- Rielly
Brodie ---------- Hainsey

Muzzin --------- Gardiner
Holl --------------- Zaitsev

Dermott --------- Dermott*
Liljegren* -------- Polak
Sandin* ----------- Carrick


Campbell ------- Andersen
Mrazek ----------- McElhinney

 

[Mess]

His record in 19-20 after taking over from Babcock is pretty remarkable given no training camp and zero goaltending.

I’m not saying the playoffs don’t matter, but I’m saying people are going to overreact because of the team’s history that he’s not responsible for. Like you just brought up the 2013 playoff series, case in point.

The playoffs do matter most of all, because that is the true objective and goal of a successful season to attempt to win a championship.

Montreal's coach Dominique Ducharme took over mid season from Claude Julien, and his record is pretty remarkable given no training camp, and leading his team to the Stanley Cup finals in his very first year, including mounting a remarkable 3-1 series comeback against our coach Sheldon Keefe resulting in an embarrassing loss for our Leafs in round #1, and Leafs didn't get zero goaltending from Campbell.

Another rookie coach Ducharme, taking over from a veteran mid season in the same situation as our coach once was, and who is now being praised and extended for his coaching achievements but when compared to his peer here in a similar situation, with even direct head to head comparison ability, the results are not good nor equal if you're on the Leafs side of the ledger and viewing the results as unbiased.

That's not overreacting to the Leafs team's history that Keefe is not responsible for, that is simply looking at the bigger picture and grading success and failure with the identical brush measuring coaching job performance equally.

Both of these coaches got extensions prior to this upcoming season, but which one earned it on the merits for their performance?

 

[zeke]

The playoffs do matter most of all because that is what the goal of a successful season to attempt to win a championship.

Montreal's coach Dominique Ducharme took over mid season from Claude Julien, and his record is pretty remarkable given no training camp, and leading his team to the Stanley Cup finals in his first year, including mounting a remarkable 3-1 series comeback against our coach Sheldon Keefe resulting in an embarrassing loss for our Leafs in round #1, and Leafs didn't get zero goaltending from Campbell.

Another rookie coach Ducharme, taking over from a veteran mid season in the same situation as our coach once was, and who is now being praised and extended for his coaching achievements but when compared to his peer here in a similar situation, with even direct head to head comparison ability, the results are not good nor equal if you're on the Leafs side of the ledger.

That's not overreacting to the Leafs team's history that Keefe is not responsible for, that is simply looking at the bigger picture and grading success and failure with the identical brush measuring coaching job performance equally.

Both of these coaches both got extensions prior to this upcoming season, but which one earned it on the merits for their performance?

Hey Mess you told us you were super eager to see how our depth players played last game without "riding coattails". But you never ended up telling us what you saw even though you had said how interested you were. What happened? Care to share your observations?

 

[Leafsfan74]

I can not wait for the season to start. This board has been unbearable all offseason. So many pathetic posters crying about every single little thing, most of which have zero relevance.

Who cares if Keefe got extended for 2 years? It means nothing and everyone know it. Lots of grown men throwing a temper tantrum just because they don’t like Dubas.

Well, of course it means something. To the coach and players. It means "he s going to remain our coach so we had better respect his authority and remain committed to the plan". Vital for any serious team.

Of course, as you suggest, it means little in terms of the Cap or even the options to 86 him if they so choose. Teams with deep pockets need to find edges that are limited to them due to Cap restrictions, be it coaches, scouting and the like. Not extending him at this juncture only creates questions from the players about his long term authority. That would be a silly decision which is far worse than a two year extension.

 

[therealkoho]

It's a bad sign in my opinion.

Last year already should have been a make it or break year for this management group. They were gifted a path to the conference finals. And then they blew it. And then got together and went that was a great season boys, let's not change anything about the team on the ice or the front office.

An outsider would say okay this has to be the last chance for everyone, right up to Shanny. If I were ownership I wouldn't give any of these guys any assurances that they survive this season, let alone two seasons from now. It goes to show ownership is happy with mediocrity and that filters down to the players. You get paid and rewarded financially before you prove anything on the ice. Then they wonder why you can't get proper effort out of people.

problem is you cannot change the past nor take the contract back, so what's left?

move forward with the confidence that you've made the right choices and those choices will bring the success they all strive for

 

[DarkKnight]

I can not wait for the season to start. This board has been unbearable all offseason. So many pathetic posters crying about every single little thing, most of which have zero relevance.

Who cares if Keefe got extended for 2 years? It means nothing and everyone know it. Lots of grown men throwing a temper tantrum just because they don’t like Dubas.

Imagine NOT being upset this off season, talk about pathetic. Astounding.

 

[Madap]

Well, of course it mean something. To the coach and players. It means "he s going to remain our coach so we had better respect his authority and remain committed to the plan". Vital for any serious team.

Of course, as you suggest, it means little in terms of the Cap or even the options to 86 him if they so choose. Teams with deep pockets need to find edges that are limited to them due to Cap restrictions, be it coaches, scouting and the like. Not extending him at this juncture only creates questions from the players about his long term authority. That would be a silly decision which is far worse than a two year extension.

Yeah, well said. I should have been more specific. I don't think extending him means we're committed to losing or even that we're goiing to stick with him through the whole contract. If we do bad, this contract means nothing - he'll be let go, just like we let go of Babcock in the middle of his massive contract.

As you said, we need to capitalize on any advantage we can get and using our deep pockets to instill a little bit of confidence in our coach and our team (which is an area we clearly lack) is a good move. People complaining about that are ridiculous.

 

[DarkKnight]

We still don’t know the terms, assuming Dubas gave him 90 percent up front right?

 

[IPS]

Hey Mess you told us you were super eager to see how our depth players played last game without "riding coattails". But you never ended up telling us what you saw even though you had said how interested you were. What happened? Care to share your observations?

I have a feeling there's going to be a lot of wasted paragraphs about Michael Bunting when all is said and done.

 

[Madap]

Imagine NOT being upset this off season, talk about pathetic. Astounding.

Everyone on this board was upset when the Leafs lost this year - don't kid yourself. I don't think I came on this board or looked at anything hockey related for quite a while. But there is absolutely zero reason to go into every single thread and cry for the whole summer. I don't even think I'm exaggerating here. Every single thread on this board - including the Jays and Raptors threads at times - have been flooded by Dubas haters.

They think they are the smartest person in Toronto and could run the team much better than Dubas, but in reality, they aren't clever at all and most are just looking for attention. Save the complaints for the Dubas thread and/or when he deserves it, not every second of every day in every thread because its quite clear that its just bias at this point.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Everyone on this board was upset when the Leafs lost this year - don't kid yourself. I don't think I came on this board or looked at anything hockey related for quite a while. But there is absolutely zero reason to go into every single thread and cry for the whole summer. I don't even think I'm exaggerating here. Every single thread on this board - including the Jays and Raptors threads at times - have been flooded by Dubas haters.

They think they are the smartest person in Toronto and could run the team much better than Dubas, but in reality, they aren't clever at all and most are just looking for attention. Save the complaints for the Dubas thread and/or when he deserves it, not every second of every day in every thread because its quite clear that its just bias at this point.

I think they know more than Dubas to be fair. They've spotted flaws in this team a long, long time before Kyle. They could've saved us a lot of time. But alas, here we are.

 

[Canadian Finn]

Yeah, well said. I should have been more specific. I don't think extending him means we're committed to losing or even that we're goiing to stick with him through the whole contract. If we do bad, this contract means nothing - he'll be let go, just like we let go of Babcock in the middle of his massive contract.

As you said, we need to capitalize on any advantage we can get and using our deep pockets to instill a little bit of confidence in our coach and our team (which is an area we clearly lack) is a good move. People complaining about that are ridiculous.

we need to use our deep pockets to instill a real coach and GM.

the apathy among some of our pathetic fanbase is ridiculous.

 

[Madap]

I think they know more than Dubas to be fair. They've spotted flaws in this team a long, long time before Kyle. They could've saved us a lot of time. But alas, here we are.

No, they don't. Of course out of thousands of people posting on this board, one person is going to eventually guess that a decision Dubas made is going to be wrong. That's how statistics work.

But no one as a whole knows more than any GM working in the league. People guess one thing correctly and think it makes them geniuses and come on this board and repeat it until they are blue in the face. But they've also been wrong about a hundred other things but of course they won't talk about that or even admit it.

 

[Aashir]

If they don’t go on a big run, this signing will have been worthless. He will be canned and he’ll be on the payroll like Babcock

Needs to learn to change it up, also needs to balance the big 4 out more, instead of the big 2 and middle 2

Can’t be getting outcoached by a coach who joined mid season