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ToneDog said:
Sure talk about it behind closed doors. Poulin listed 4 possible reasons for Keefe coming out and explaining himself. All 4 were bad according to him. So why did he feel the need to explain himself?? It makes him look weak the same way he looked after losing to the Rangers last year and calling them soft and later taking it back.
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Like I said, "he isn't very bright".
 
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leafsfan5 said:
I thought you were joking around but he actually is LMAO

What a gig Marner has, runs the Leafs by day and streams at night
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damn I just assumed it was a joke and didn't even bother to verify

wonder if someone will give him a piece of their mind on the stream, if that's how it works idk
 
egd27 said:
That was just sad.

I haven't care for Keefe as a coach, but Dubas should put the guy out of his misery before it gets any more humiliating for him.

"I used the wrong words" ......why not just say "Sorry Auston & Mitch, I didn't mean it"
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wonder if he'll have to make the Babcockian pilgrimage to arizona in the offseason to wash AM's feet
 
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fahad203 said:
Fastest coach to win 100

Some of you need to shut your trap
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Most coaches cut their teeth on junk teams. He was given a freaking superstar team ready built. He only has to get them to play at 75% to break some records. He got gifted a great team and between he and Dubas have not done anything post season with it. Nothing. Out coached every series.
 
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The Masters said:
Lou has his faults as a GM, but his biggest strength is not tolerating any bull**** and the culture of putting the team first. If the top guns tune this guy out just like babcock, keefe is finished
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Too bad his fault is team construction and contracts
 
notbias said:
Too bad his fault is team construction and contracts
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That was overblown. There were ways to get around his contract issues.

The big issue with the Leafs... Old guys. They always sign these old players because of Vet presence and they always get the wrong ones. Then for some reason they trade away a younger hopeful guys that often pans out somewhere else.

It just happens over and over.
 
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ACC1224 said:
Like I said, "he isn't very bright".
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Or he is just too soft and afraid the players will tune him out.
Either ways, I think Dubas must know who those players are and need to trade them. Seriously, if that player is AM, get a deal done bc you can’t win with entitled players who think they are better than the coaches.
 
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ToneDog said:
I'd move MM but it would take at least 3 lottery protected picks/prospects. If you move Mitch, you have to be prepared to move Matty as well in which case, you are starting another rebuild. Perhaps the next President can learn from Shanny and Kyle's mistakes and get it right on attempt #2.
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AM or any players will stay if the Leafs is winning.
Just look at the Tkachuk trade. Imagine getting Hubie, Weegar, a 1st and more for MM, since MM is a better player than Tkachuk.
 
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ACC1224 said:
I doubt this isn't anything more than just a little misunderstanding.
Should never had gone public though.
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To me, the coach can criticize the players after a bad game.
The coach further explaining what he said a day or two later is pretty much a public apology to the players for criticizing them in the first place. You do that in private, fine but not in public.
It shows to the players that, they don’t need to listen to the coach.
 
Gabriel426 said:
AM or any players will stay if the Leafs is winning.
Just look at the Tkachuk trade. Imagine getting Hubie, Weegar, a 1st and more for MM, since MM is a better player than Tkachuk.
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MM is the more skilled but Florida overpaid for Tkachuk. Might have to do with last year's loss to Tampa and wanting to move on from Hubbie and Weager. It might be hard to find a taker for Mitch for the price but if you can find one, take him for all he's got.
 
The Kyle Dubas experience everyone.

Dude too worried about pleasing the stars and they know they'll never have any consequences.

Been that way since the babs Arizona trip gave the team permission to quit.

Can't wait to see how evil Keefe was through media leaks. Oh no he wouldn't let Auston play video games in the locker room the horror.

If he goes fire Dubas also he's the one that made this team become 0 effort p***yes through entitlement
 
the comment was clear but these clowns should have learned from Lou that not everything needs to be shared with the media

one of the problems with Dubas/Keefe is their always trying to make themselves look like there above everybody else in the game so they can't stop themselves when the cameras are on
 
Gabriel426 said:
To me, the coach can criticize the players after a bad game.
The coach further explaining what he said a day or two later is pretty much a public apology to the players for criticizing them in the first place. You do that in private, fine but not in public.
It shows to the players that, they don’t need to listen to the coach.
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From listening to multiple media members, it sounds like this is a huge misunderstanding. It sounds like the players didn’t even care.

Either Keefe got in his own head and thought he messed up so he wanted to get ahead of it before the players heard or someone from upper management asked him to walk it back.

I don’t buy for a second that the players approached Keefe about this at all. It was either management or Keefe himself that decided there was a need to circle back.
 
ToneDog said:
MM is the more skilled but Florida overpaid for Tkachuk. Might have to do with last year's loss to Tampa and wanting to move on from Hubbie and Weager. It might be hard to find a taker for Mitch for the price but if you can find one, take him for all he's got.
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The thing is Flames was in a horrible position and still managed to net Hubie and Weegar and more. I don’t think Leafs could get less than the Tkachuk deal if they trade MM. MM is a better player, better stats and still have a few more years in his contract.
 
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Mr_Fun said:
That's because you're likely not starting with a conclusion and working backwards from it.
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That doesnt make sense
francis246 said:
From listening to multiple media members, it sounds like this is a huge misunderstanding. It sounds like the players didn’t even care.

Either Keefe got in his own head and thought he messed up so he wanted to get ahead of it before the players heard or someone from upper management asked him to walk it back.

I don’t buy for a second that the players approached Keefe about this at all. It was either management or Keefe himself that decided there was a need to circle back.
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But his comments appeared very up front and clear - it doesnt make sense to have to set any record straight..

The only thing that would have made sense is if he apologized if anyone took it as discrediting the coyotes as a franchise
 
If it comes down to dealing with Matthews and Marner...you liquidate damn near everything.

JT probably unmovable but give him the choice.

Liljegren, Sandin etc will be able to be kept on.

Robertson, Knies, Holmberg etc important.
 
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