Sheldon Keefe Discussion Thread

TMLBlueandWhite

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Nothing says "we don't have a clue" more than leaving Keefe twisting in the wind all summer long.

Everything this team does is face-palmingly stupid. Entering the season with Keefe as lame duck would be another confirmation of that. Just cut the cord already.

They've won a single round in five tries.

Keefe clearly doesn't have the "it" factor. Whatever it takes to be a Stanley Cup winning coach. He should have been run out of town already.

The only reason he's still around is because of his sycophantic abilities.

Keefe's a good butt kisser. His greatest asset is knowing how to keep his masters happy. Even without delivering the prize.

Replacing Keefe should be a priority for any team with cup aspirations.

It doesn't matter who you replace him with either. A magic 8-ball making lineup decisions would give the same results. In fact, they might even be better

The 8-ball isn't stupid.
 

Squiffy

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I thought he should be gone, but don't you toss this guy a two year deal just for the fun of it with zero problems eating it at any time you feel like?
 

LeafEgo

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Nothing says "we don't have a clue" more than leaving Keefe twisting in the wind all summer long.

Everything this team does is face-palmingly stupid. Entering the season with Keefe as lame duck would be another confirmation of that. Just cut the cord already.

They've won a single round in five tries.

Keefe clearly doesn't have the "it" factor. Whatever it takes to be a Stanley Cup winning coach. He should have been run out of town already.

The only reason he's still around is because of his sycophantic abilities.

Keefe's a good butt kisser. His greatest asset is knowing how to keep his masters happy. Even without delivering the prize.

Replacing Keefe should be a priority for any team with cup aspirations.

It doesn't matter who you replace him with either. A magic 8-ball making lineup decisions would give the same results. In fact, they might even be better

The 8-ball isn't stupid.
If a more established and proven coach has not yet been made available, then turfing Keefe, the alleged dead man walking, for a 'doesn't matter replacement', essentially another dead man walking, is the level of dysfunction you seem to want to avoid.

For all the concerns with Keefe, at least he is effective at carrying this team through the regular season, which is what's coming up next. Who knows, maybe there is a positive change in a new environment.

In the meantime, I'm sure they are head hunting, and didn't we just hire an experienced head coach to an assistant role (multiple ECF game 7's)? Feels like the situation is being controlled.

This left over problem should have a better exit strategy than Marleau did. Tactical patience.
 

Squiffy

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Right, agreed. So throw this guy a contract to avoid any appearance of instability and Bell and Rogers can eat it if they change their minds, right? It's like 5 million, we collectively pay that for internet service between the two companies as posters here alone. Babcock just grossed more then some small towns for the last four years.
 

WTFMAN99

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Avoided the lame duck appearance but the reality is they could fire him and he'd be far less to carry on the books than Babcock.

I also don't think Keefe would want to remain unemployed.

This basically just removes the "Are you concerned about not having an extension?" questions when training camp opens.
 
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Mess

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Right, agreed. So throw this guy a contract to avoid any appearance of instability and Bell and Rogers can eat it if they change their minds, right? It's like 5 million, we collectively pay that for internet service between the two companies as posters here alone. Babcock just grossed more then some small towns for the last four years.

Remember same ownership group that signed Mike Babcock.

Mike Babcock was hired Wednesday as coach by the Toronto Maple Leafs. Terms of the contract were not released, but Sportsnet and TSN reported that Babcock, who spent the past 10 seasons coaching the Detroit Red Wings, has agreed to an eight-year contract worth approximately $50 million.

They allowed him to be fired with 6 years remaining at $6.25 mil per and sitting on his couch collecting his money. :)
 

thewave

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OMG lol. This organization is so terribly run.. No clue. No results. No surprises.
 

TMLBlueandWhite

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Dumb owner hires dumb president who hires dumb coach.

The dumb president is too dumb to realize the dumb coach he hired is too dumb to win in the playoffs. So he gives him a two year guaranteed contract. No different than MP's giving themselves a raise.

Meanwhile minimum wage stays the same and ticket prices keep going up.

I'm so sick of these guys treating us all like we're lemmings. For blindly following them all these years. For being emotionally invested in our hometown team.

For taking pride in wanting to see our heroes succeed.

Too bad nobody on the Leafs appear to feel the same way. All these guys seem to care about is getting paid. You'd think somebody would remember they're a sports team.

That it's their job to care about winning.

If they showed pride in losing maybe fans wouldn't be so upset at them for being too dumb to figure out how to win it all to begin with.
 

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Unlike some of the recent comments, I find Keefe’s upcoming year to be one of the more compelling questions to be answered this year. I tend to hold the players far more responsible for past failures than a coach, while acknowledging a coach does have an impact on success or failure. I am curious to see whether Keefe, through tactics and player interaction, remains who we have seen in the past, or whether there is a change in how he directs and relates to the players.

With Dubas gone I suspect we will see a different side to Keefe’s approach to the team. I expect there will be a more forceful demand towards player accountability, and an expectation of starting the game on time. I wonder how many 1st period benchings there will be during the first 20 games of the season.

I think it fair to say he’s recognized as a ‘players’ coach. I hope he now demands a greater commitment from all on the ice.

We shall see.
 

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Keefe new extension makes him among the lowest paid coaches in the NHL.

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Keefe's Leafs salary on par with Chicago's Richardson a last place overall team.
 

usernamezrhardtodo

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Avoided the lame duck appearance but the reality is they could fire him and he'd be far less to carry on the books than Babcock.

I also don't think Keefe would want to remain unemployed.

This basically just removes the "Are you concerned about not having an extension?" questions when training camp opens.
They put the offset clause in as well. That means that if any team hires him while he is being paid by the Leafs...they get credit for whatever he is paid by the other team. So, in reality it's not an issue...it was with Babcock because he was so toxic that nobody hired him and they had to foot the whole bill.
 

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