Sheldon Keefe Discussion Thread
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Loser team brings back loser coach and loser overpaid center.
Might as well have kept Dubas at this rate. This org is a f***ing joke
Might as well have kept Dubas at this rate. This org is a f***ing joke
knies @ 925,000 for 2 years in our top 6 might actually balance out our cap issue
Trading nylander now with only 1 year left will limit our options. If we trade him after he's signed we'll have more leverage.
Mathematically it makes sense to roll back the core
Trading nylander now with only 1 year left will limit our options. If we trade him after he's signed we'll have more leverage.
Mathematically it makes sense to roll back the core
Beanzy
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There is absolutely nothing that makes sense to me about bringing back the core... or Keefe.
ShaneFalco
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I get looking for a competent replacement, but if pretty much everyone thinks Keefe was out-coached in even one series - how do you come on with a clean slate and reward thst.?!
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Our core took 7 years to win a round and 1 game in the 2nd. We’re giving them all raises. Why not.
Ianturnedbull
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What the?
You can't just kill everyone. The Leafs still have to ice a competitive team next season.
What would you rather them do? Trade them all and draft the next disappointing star prospect?
Who are you going to cheer for next season when they decide to bring back Keefe, Matthews, AND Nylander? Winnipeg could use some new fans. Go there.
I think it is reasonable to move on from the coach. I dont think he did anything amazing in Toronto. I think any coach could had same results or possibly better with what have here.
Practically speaking, most of the roster is getting turned over because almost everyone is a bargain bin find outside of the the 4 forwards and Rielly.
We have 4 high priced forwards. It makes sense to move one of them for a defenseman of similar value who could lock down the top pair with Rielly.
Sure you can. Blow up this failure of a team because they've proven they can't win shit. You've gotta start over and bring in guys who play winning hockey. A coach that knows how to win.
Until then they're wasting all of our time with this joke of a group.
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Once again, another great conversation. Why do you even bother? Take off the blue and white goggles for a change
Tell me you're satisfied with losing in the 1st or 2nd round without telling me you're satisfied with losing in the 1st or 2nd round.
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I don't like Keefe, want him gone.
I think keeping him so Treliving has an out for the first failure is dishonest.
But it isn't like the Leafs signed some great accomplished GM to replace Dubas.
Most likely he's just another puppet for Shanahan, like Dubas was until he wasn't willing to have his strings pulled.
However, if Treliving CAN build a strong bottom 6 I'll give him his dues.
Top 6 is already done, he get no credit for something he inherits.
I think keeping him so Treliving has an out for the first failure is dishonest.
But it isn't like the Leafs signed some great accomplished GM to replace Dubas.
Most likely he's just another puppet for Shanahan, like Dubas was until he wasn't willing to have his strings pulled.
However, if Treliving CAN build a strong bottom 6 I'll give him his dues.
Top 6 is already done, he get no credit for something he inherits.
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Quick Shifts: Where do the Maple Leafs and Sheldon Keefe go from here?
Where do Sheldon Keefe and the Maple Leafs go now? Plus, Ivan Barbashev wants to re-sign, but his stock is sky-high; five teams with an extra first-round pick; Jonathan Quick won’t quit; and eight more NHL goodies from Luke Fox.
1. When former general manager Kyle Dubas quietly signed Sheldon Keefe to a two-year contract extension following 2021’s disastrous first-round ouster by the Montreal Canadiens, we had a theory.
Dubas knew his own future with the Toronto Maple Leafs wasn’t guaranteed beyond 2023. And as Keefe’s biggest supporter, the executive wanted to reward the head coach while he could.
Since Dubas has been fired and hired by the Pittsburgh Penguins, intrigue circling Keefe’s future has only increased.
New GM Brad Treliving was initially noncommittal to Keefe. Hardly knew him. But after meeting with Keefe, it sure sounds like he’s sticking around.
Sportsnet can confirm Treliving and Keefe are interviewing candidates to replace former assistant Spencer Carbery on the bench, and, as previously reported by Elliotte Friedman, are even expected to talk about a second extension for Keefe himself.
This wouldn’t be the first time Treliving kept his fire-the-coach card in his pocket. When he got the GM gig in Calgary, he inherited Bob Hartley, stuck with him, and saw a 10-win improvement. Treliving then fired Hartley when the Flames missed the playoffs the following season.
Extension or not, Keefe’s leash cannot be long.
It’s only money. Maple Leafs Sports & Entertainment has gobs of it. Just ask the coach Keefe replaced.
Absolutely, Keefe’s regular-season record is incredible (.678 points percentage). Yet he has routinely been outcoached in the postseason by more experienced opponents.
Look no further than the 2023 Stanley Cup finalists, Vegas and Florida, to see how a good team can be elevated by a fresh voice, a new perspective.
To be fair to Keefe, we are curious to see how he runs the Leafs under new management. There were occasions when he walked back criticism of his players and that bizarre admission that inserting EBUG Jett Alexander into a win over Montreal was not his call.
Will Keefe coach differently under Treliving? Will Treliving surround him with a more balanced lineup that allows him to?
What should be telling of where this is all headed is whom Treliving hires as Keefe’s assistant. Another up-and-comer like Carbery, hungry to prove himself?
Or will Keefe soon be sharing his bench with a more experienced coach, someone with a reputation and resume on par with Keefe’s himself?
ShaneFalco
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This I get but I don't see why the extension talks would be taking place this summer. You have him for a year. As the GM you keep your coaches fault fire, you explain to the coach it's an evaluation year for you and you'll talk extension as you progress through the year, you explain to the board that you're keeping him because he has a great record (regular season) and the players like him which could help with extensions.
It's the perfect situation for a new gm to have a coach with one year left. Every conversation he has to justify is easily explainable. The only ones it's hard to justify with is the fans (because he should be fired) but gms don't have to answer to the fans.
ShaneFalco
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Pretty deflating though they're basically going to run it back again with meathead at the helm
In what world can the leafs bring back the core and the coach? Like wtf? It hasnt happened yet so Ill reserve my judgement til it happens but if it does then there isnt much more to say is there......doomed I tell ya doomed
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