I think it was in the playoffs but I remember them showing dubas in the Press Box and he had a microphone in his sleeve talking does anybody remember that
Sheldon Keefe Discussion Thread
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Racer88
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Fair enough.
we should know by the end of the month if Matthews and Nylander are going to stay with the team
7even
Offered and lost
The runway isn't infinitely long, at some point you have to land the plane or go around. "Just one more year of observation" is how you waste your core players' best years. The opportunity cost is massive.
Racer88
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Agreed. The observation period is over…..we already know what we have. A very skilled core that are great in the regular season but fold when the going gets tough and cost way to much at the expense of building a good supporting cast
I wonder if he had Gepeto stings attached to Keefe’s arms. Lol
That is true but most seemed to think the moves made at the TDL were a sign that the brass was figuring it out and most liked the kind of players that were brought in.
Racer88
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Interesting that the brass brought in different type players at the deadline but the result was basically the same………..maybe it’s not the secondary role players and it’s actually the core 4……….who wouldn’t thought that. Lol
Fonzieleaf
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All signs point towards Keefe keeping his job for now. Just trying to find a replacement for Carbery atm.
The Iceman
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YES, but I don't think it has anything to do with saving the bullet.
Being realistic, Keefe is better equipped to navigate this current group with his familiarity than any other coach.
Leafs need to hit the floor running and GM Tree can adjust on the fly if things need adjusted as the season rolls along.
BallardEra
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"All indications from the Leafs are that every effort will be made to keep those three stars and captain John Tavares beyond 2024 unless there’s a trade offer that can’t be refused. Keefe is also in line to return as he and Treliving sorted through assistant coaching candidates this week, though an extension for Keefe is not settled."
torontosun.com
Auston Matthews-Brad Treliving meeting cautiously optimistic start for new Maple Leafs deal
Auston Matthews, agent Judd Moldaver and new Leaf GM Brad Treliving have initiated contract talks to get the Leaf star signed long term.
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LeafalCrusader
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"All indications from the Leafs are that every effort will be made to keep those three stars and captain John Tavares beyond 2024 unless there’s a trade offer that can’t be refused. Keefe is also in line to return as he and Treliving sorted through assistant coaching candidates this week, though an extension for Keefe is not settled."
Auston Matthews-Brad Treliving meeting cautiously optimistic start for new Maple Leafs deal
Auston Matthews, agent Judd Moldaver and new Leaf GM Brad Treliving have initiated contract talks to get the Leaf star signed long term.
hockeyes
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There is about a 98% chance Arizona wins the cup before the Leafs, so you are right, I probably should!
Keefe has to go. He had 82 games this year to figure out his 6 dmen... he was playing 11-7 in the playoffs. Marner and Matthews have to play together imo. He is part of the Dubas plan, get rid of him.
Further confirmation that Shanny is the principal decision maker & should have been canned long ago. Why are we cursed with such incompetence. Its staggering....
It’s mind blowing isn’t it. Hearing shanahan wanted to extend dubas for 5 yrs just after the trade deadline just shows you he has zero interest in playoff success. Absolutely ridiculous
jesus christ that piece of garbage is still with the leafs organization are they getting him for 20 grand a year because he should not be payed any more than that shit shit get rid of him he’s worthless as a coach. I guess he could be used as a water boy
Dreger on Keefe's looming extension, Matthews' contract talks ramping up and more - TSN.ca
TSN hockey insider Darren Dreger joins First Up to discuss the chatter around Sheldon Keefe nearing an extension with the Maple Leafs, Auston Matthews' contract talks ramping up, the future of Matt Murray with the blue and white, Philadelphia Flyers set to make significant moves and more.
TSN hockey insider Darren Dreger joins First Up to discuss the chatter around Sheldon Keefe nearing an extension with the Maple Leafs, Auston Matthews' contract talks ramping up, the future of Matt Murray with the blue and white, Philadelphia Flyers set to make significant moves and more.
ShaneFalco
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Absolutely unreal someone can look at his body of work and feel he should be extended
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
Regular season warrior/playoff dwarf like his petit 4.
ShaneFalco
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from the hotstove
In this space, we’ve often made our criticisms clear about Sheldon Keefe’s coaching performance in the playoffs, where he’s often been outcoached or at best net neutral in his five postseasons in Toronto to date. There has been the consistently timid starts to games, the inability to impose their style of game on the opponent, slow adjustments as series wear on, his defaulting to Matthews-Marner and greatly elevating the minutes of the stars at the first sign of trouble (especially when they’re not rolling in the game whatsoever), the team’s reduced pace of play in recent postseasons, among other issues.
Treliving’s words upon his arrival in Toronto didn’t come with any grand proclamations of major changes to come, and so far, the report that Brendan Shanahan has reassured the core of their place on the team going forward plus this decision to keep Keefe is certainly not the most refreshing approach for a fan base whose calls have never been louder for significant alterations to the player roster and coaching staff. Only time will tell if it’s a wise first move by Treliving not to make change for the sake of change, but for many in the market, it’s understandable if this is starting to sound like Groundhog Day only with a new GM’s face attached to it.
In this space, we’ve often made our criticisms clear about Sheldon Keefe’s coaching performance in the playoffs, where he’s often been outcoached or at best net neutral in his five postseasons in Toronto to date. There has been the consistently timid starts to games, the inability to impose their style of game on the opponent, slow adjustments as series wear on, his defaulting to Matthews-Marner and greatly elevating the minutes of the stars at the first sign of trouble (especially when they’re not rolling in the game whatsoever), the team’s reduced pace of play in recent postseasons, among other issues.
Treliving’s words upon his arrival in Toronto didn’t come with any grand proclamations of major changes to come, and so far, the report that Brendan Shanahan has reassured the core of their place on the team going forward plus this decision to keep Keefe is certainly not the most refreshing approach for a fan base whose calls have never been louder for significant alterations to the player roster and coaching staff. Only time will tell if it’s a wise first move by Treliving not to make change for the sake of change, but for many in the market, it’s understandable if this is starting to sound like Groundhog Day only with a new GM’s face attached to it.
ShaneFalco
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but Dubas would never have considered a change.....
It’s clear from viewing the level of physical sacrifice the likes of the Golden Knights and Panthers were making to grind out the hard offense in the playoffs that the Leafs also need a coach who can push the nucleus of this group to find that extra 10% they didn’t know they even had in them at playoff time. With Keefe, the team has gone from a gangbusters offense in the regular season to pedestrian offensively in the playoffs year after year after year, making the excuse of a hot opposition goalie lamer and lamer with each passing postseason failure. The stark lack of point shots and offense generated by their defense, paired with the drying up of the offense from the core forwards as series wear on (due to an inability to generate enough chances from the prime real estate and/or bury enough of those chances), has been a maddening reality of Leafs playoff hockey.
To some extent, this decision might be a reflection of the talent available in the free-agent coaching market, where Joel Quenneville still hasn’t been reinstated by the NHL and the rest of the available candidates are not particularly inspiring. It’s much different than last summer when Dubas’ decision to stand by Keefe came at the potential opportunity cost of not hiring a new voice out of a bumper crop of high-end head-coaching candidates — Bruce Cassidy, Pete DeBoer, and Barry Trotz among them.
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What a mess Dubas created
It’s clear from viewing the level of physical sacrifice the likes of the Golden Knights and Panthers were making to grind out the hard offense in the playoffs that the Leafs also need a coach who can push the nucleus of this group to find that extra 10% they didn’t know they even had in them at playoff time. With Keefe, the team has gone from a gangbusters offense in the regular season to pedestrian offensively in the playoffs year after year after year, making the excuse of a hot opposition goalie lamer and lamer with each passing postseason failure. The stark lack of point shots and offense generated by their defense, paired with the drying up of the offense from the core forwards as series wear on (due to an inability to generate enough chances from the prime real estate and/or bury enough of those chances), has been a maddening reality of Leafs playoff hockey.
To some extent, this decision might be a reflection of the talent available in the free-agent coaching market, where Joel Quenneville still hasn’t been reinstated by the NHL and the rest of the available candidates are not particularly inspiring. It’s much different than last summer when Dubas’ decision to stand by Keefe came at the potential opportunity cost of not hiring a new voice out of a bumper crop of high-end head-coaching candidates — Bruce Cassidy, Pete DeBoer, and Barry Trotz among them.
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HamiltonNHL
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He’s a dead man walking. Zero rush to move on mind you.
AM34 is going to Arizona especially if the new Suns owner allows the Coyotes into their building.
Yet another American going home.
AM34 is going to Arizona especially if the new Suns owner allows the Coyotes into their building.
Yet another American going home.
Rob Brown
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Pretty big if there. Also pretty sure the Suns arena isn't NHL compatible, so unless there's a new arena coming, this doesn't solve their problems. Even if they broke ground on a new arena tomorrow, that's still several years away.
The whole Matthews to Arizona thing is really over exaggerated, especially now with the Tempe deal being rejected. The Coyotes are dead in the water in Arizona IMO, much more likely Matthews tries to go to LA or Anaheim or something, and even then all signs point to him re-signing here.
3 Possible NHL Assistants
In Monday's 32 Thoughts, Jeff Marek named three possible hires for the Maple Leafs open coaching slot. Two were names he'd heard as possibles, and one is just a rational guess everyone has made by now. Let's start there.
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In Monday's 32 Thoughts, Jeff Marek named three possible hires for the Maple Leafs open coaching slot. Two were names he'd heard as possibles, and one is just a rational guess everyone has made by now. Let's start there.
Mitch Love
He's 39, a former defenceman from BC who had no points and huge PIM in a minor-pro career. Seriously 327 PIM one year in the WHL.
Directly post-playing career in 2011, he moved to an assistant coaching job in the WHL for the team he finished his junior career with as captain. The Everett Silvertips kept him behind their bench for seven seasons under three head coaches before he took the head coaching job in Saskatoon.
In the meantime Hockey Canada had chosen him to we an assistant coach on the U17 teams twice. He coached the U18 team at the Hlinka Gretzky Cup his first year in Saskatoon, and has been an assistant coach of the WJC team twice in 2020 and 2021.
He moved to the AHL as head coach of the Stockton Heat in 2021, and then moved with the team to Calgary this past season as they became the Calgary Wranglers. They are the Flames affiliate, naturally.
There was much talk that he was looking to be promoted to the Flames, and he wasn't, so there is a natural speculation that his old boss is going to bring him to Toronto. Calgary were great this year, losing in the semifinals to the Coachella Valley Firebirds. Stockton won their division under Love the prior year as well.
Karl Taylor
Marek mentioned Karl Taylor, long time coach of the Milwaukee Admirals as a possibility. Taylor is 52, from North Bay, and is a former winger in the OHL and then Canadian university hockey.
He finished playing at the University of New Brunswick in 1995, and in 1997 became their assistant coach. He then worked for Red Deer College, the ECHL for a very long time, finishing with the Reign in Ontario before they transitioned up to the AHL. He moved to the Wolves of the AHL and then the Texas Stars and the Ads.
Most of those are good teams, quality organizations, and Milwaukee has been known to produce teams better than they should out of the Nashville prospects. If he's making a move up to the NHL, now is basically the end of his window, and it's possible he's out of the mix entirely in Nashville with the changes taking place there.
Todd Nelson
Head coach of the Hershey Bears who are still playing this week in the Calder Cup finals, Nelson is another name Marek had heard mentioned.
Nelson is 54, from Prince Albert, and was drafted by the Penguins in the fourth round back in the 80s. He played for the Raiders in the WHL, then toped out at AHLer for various teams ending with the Grand Rapids Griffins in 2022.
The very next year (stop me if you've heard this before) he became the Griffins assistant coach. He moved to various teams in the UHL and AHL for years, and has some NHL experience. He was an assistant on the Thrashers for two years. He took over when Edmonton fired Dallas Eakins, and he was an assistant for the Dallas Stars for four years, leaving when they fired Rick Bowness, who he had worked under during his tenure there.
He took the Bears job as head coach, and has certainly made the case he might be good enough for another NHL job.
