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TMLBlueandWhite said:
Keefe has accomplished nothing, absolutely nothing, but yeah, let's keep him around another year.

Just keep on rewarding failure.

They failed not once, not twice, not even three times, but an astonishing four times so far under Keefe. It's the coaches job to motivate the players. To get these guys to perform their best.
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The failure starts at the top. MLSE and all previous incarnations of ownership since '67 are the failure. And people here keep rewarding them by buying tickets, merchandise, and spending hours and hours from their life's limited clock on forums and listening to Leafs radio show.

And I'm sorry, if any coach has to motivate his squad (exclusively hand picked by the GM) in yet another desperate preliminary round live-or-die fight where you are the betting favorite, absence of player effort and sacrifice is not on that coach.

Focus, personal sacrifice, and do-or-die is either in a players DNA or it's not. This is still a big big issue in that dressing room. See Vegas.
 
The Masters said:
hey need to make a decision on Keefe before Matthews signs. They aren't going to let him be a lame duck next season. Matthews isn't signing without clarity on that. When you comprehend that, read point #2 (if you are able).
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Maybe they should just ask Matthews who he wants the coach to be, they've given him everything else.

If the fate of Sheldon Keefe is going to decide whether 34 commits or not, then they might as well move him for whatever they can get for him.

Regarding your Point 2......While it may be "nicer" to Keefe if he knew his fate, he's getting paid by the Leafs next season whether he's the coach or not. I hoped maybe this management group would take a lesson from the recent SC Champs about not worrying so much about being perceived as good guys.
 
theTTC said:
The failure starts at the top. MLSE and all previous incarnations of ownership since '67 are the failure. And people here keep rewarding them by buying tickets, merchandise, and spending hours and hours from their life's limited clock on forums and listening to Leafs radio show.

And I'm sorry, if any coach has to motivate his squad (exclusively hand picked by the GM) in yet another desperate preliminary round live-or-die fight where you are the betting favorite, absence of player effort and sacrifice is not on that coach.

Focus, personal sacrifice, and do-or-die is either in a players DNA or it's not. This is still a big big issue in that dressing room. See Vegas.
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Thank you for the response.

I agree. These are professional athletes being paid millions of dollars. They shouldn't have to be motivated to show up and play hard in the biggest games/series of their lives.

It was like they finally won a series for once and decided they had jobs for life, so they just checked right out the very next series.

I'd say it's about half that is on Keefe, and half on the players.

The entire organization, top to bottom, has a loser mentality.

The rot runs deep on this one.

Even if Keefe was Anthony Freakin' Robbins himself, I'm still not convinced he would have motivated these guys any further.
 
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So much speculation about all these things to help in matthews negotiations.. i hope none of it is true because it is rediculous

I dont even know how to describe how i would be feeling working there havimg to do all these other things just to help sign my star.. i would probably have a will ferrell christmas dinner moment
 
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ShaneFalco said:
There's teams who realize that their coach, even if they have regular season success, can't get them over the hump in the playoffs and they make a change.
Then there's the Leafs
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It seems that when Pierre LeBrun said a few years ago that MLSE reeks of "Niceness" he was too on the nose. It seems that they are always concerned about upsetting a player or coach or whatever the case may be. They are paralyzed by their own self imposed "Niceness" and we are along for the ride. Hopefully Tree can change it..but my hopes are not high.
 
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egd27 said:
Maybe they should just ask Matthews who he wants the coach to be, they've given him everything else.

If the fate of Sheldon Keefe is going to decide whether 34 commits or not, then they might as well move him for whatever they can get for him.

Regarding your Point 2......While it may be "nicer" to Keefe if he knew his fate, he's getting paid by the Leafs next season whether he's the coach or not. I hoped maybe this management group would take a lesson from the recent SC Champs about not worrying so much about being perceived as good guys.
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I'm all for my way or the highway but that's likely not going to happen now when you are negotiating an extension for him. On top of that, Leafs are competing for the cup next season. You aren't sending the upmost of confidence towards your coach which the players will feel in the room. Gotta make a decision on him.
 
Daisy Jane said:
unless there is someone else we can get right away - i don't get why people are so amazed that Trevliving is going to keep his "i can fire the coach bulllet" as long as he can. the first sign of trouble/slide - that's when you fire such an easy out.
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There's also the likely chance that Shanny was just fine with Keefe and made that part of his decision making when it came.to hiring a new GM
 
egd27 said:
Copy and paste from the last 3 seasons?
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I'm guessing the new GM is gonna make Keefe change this the style of the way the Leaf's played on the ice, maybe more forechecking, pressure the other teams d, etc. I think they played a style now that benefited the core 4 players and everyone else struggled and they played that for 5 years and got the same results even flipping the roster a few times.
 
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the Mighty Oak said:
I'm guessing the new GM is gonna make Keefe change this the style of the way the Leaf's played on the ice, maybe more forechecking, pressure the other teams d, etc. I think they played a style now that benefited the core 4 players and everyone else struggled and they played that for 5 years and got the same results even flipping the roster a few times.
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I hope so, but IMO Keefe doesn't have the smarts to play a different system. You'd think if he could, he would have tried already. I mean geez, look at the PP drought a couple of years ago, it lasted weeks and there were no adjustments made to correct it. Or M&M in the Columbus or Habs series.

He doesn't seem too adaptable
 
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theTTC said:
The failure starts at the top. MLSE and all previous incarnations of ownership since '67 are the failure. And people here keep rewarding them by buying tickets, merchandise, and spending hours and hours from their life's limited clock on forums and listening to Leafs radio show.

And I'm sorry, if any coach has to motivate his squad (exclusively hand picked by the GM) in yet another desperate preliminary round live-or-die fight where you are the betting favorite, absence of player effort and sacrifice is not on that coach.

Focus, personal sacrifice, and do-or-die is either in a players DNA or it's not. This is still a big big issue in that dressing room. See Vegas.
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Yup to the bolded.
 
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egd27 said:
I hope so, but IMO Keefe doesn't have the smarts to play a different system. You'd think if he could, he would have tried already. I mean geez, look at the PP drought a couple of years ago, it lasted weeks and there were no adjustments made to correct it. Or M&M in the Columbus or Habs series.

He doesn't seem too adaptable
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It's very possible that Doobis vision of how to win in the NHL influenced how Keefe coached that team and wouldn't let him tinker with any other systems, I'm just guessing.
 
Some demon or something possessed Shanny. The real Shanny would know this is not a SC caliber team, he knows that a real SC champ looks like. He would never approve of this. I really don't know why he became so soft as he has gotten older.
 
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