Sheldon Keefe Discussion Thread

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first of all, Keefe had a really scuzzy past as well, If I do recall correctly.

I don't know the whole ins an outs of everything - but Quennville has to live with his decisions every day. I am pretty sure that is horrible in of itself. He missed the signs, didn't know the whole story, and just didn't deploy good judgement. Now unless you are saying Quennville currently does the same things, (which i don't believe) I don't believe he should be blacklisted for the rest of his life. I am a firm believer in second chances if the person involved does therapy, and everything like that.

Now if Q has taken the time to think about what he did reached out to this Beach person, gone to therapy, and has shown true contrition and works towards you know not ignoring sexual abuse then I think he deserves to work and advocate WHY what he did isnt right and what to do if something like that happens again. if not then yeah. he shouldn't work.


that's just my two pennies anyway you are of course entitled to your own opinion

He can and should do as much work as possible, but he hasn't even been out of the league for two years, how much work could he have put in? I'm all for rehabilitation but we're talking about a man who turned a blind eye to one of his own players who was in crisis because he and the team were in the middle of a Cup run, and even after it was over couldn't properly address it and let the perpetrator walk to do it again. To me that's too heinous a thing to look past when discussing Quenneville and any potential future employment in the league.

If you want to read more about it The Athletic has good stories on the subject, if no subscription Sportsnet and TSN have good articles too. It was a gross case of neglect and apathy that cost Beach his career and hurt the lives of other young men.
 
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He can and should do as much work as possible, but he hasn't even been out of the league for two years, how much work could he have put in? I'm all for rehabilitation but we're talking about a man who turned a blind eye to one of his own players who was in crisis because he and the team were in the middle of a Cup run, and even after it was over couldn't properly address it and let the perpetrator walk to do it again. To me that's too heinous a thing to look past when discussing Quenneville and any potential future employment in the league.

If you want to read more about it The Athletic has good stories on the subject, if no subscription Sportsnet and TSN have good articles too. It was a gross case of neglect and apathy that cost Beach his career and hurt the lives of other young men.
I think it had a lot more to do with the higher ups saying they would address the matter. This was a GM and Presidential matter to address and above a coach's pay grade. You can read the report on the Jenner web site. To me its not clear what Q was told at the time, or even the rest of the management team. Look at the conduit Hawks staffer Jim Gary who Beach reported it to and what he says he relayed to management. Does it seem certain that Beach told him there was an actual sex act involved? And if he did, is that how Gary relayed it in the meeting? If you look at pages 42-46 of the report it doesn't seem like it but some or all must have become aware of more following that meeting.

Q f***ed up by not coming clean when he first had the chance to and throwing senior management under the bus. The worst thing he may have actually done was to give a reference for the perp. I can't tell from Jenner Block if the management group were actually told that sex had occurred vs an unwanted sexual advance. One is a potential assault and the other is an HR issue. A lot of stuff mentioned by Kyle was to people not part of that meeting so we get to see information not supplied to the Hawks group in that meeting.

I won't argue if you see the document and say you think it was obvious but it wasn't to me. I kind of think Bowman is the guy who should own this. Q too if he gave a reference and understood there was an actual assault but thats not clear to me. Also put on your 2009 goggles for the pre MeToo, BLM, LGBTQ world. That was more of a head in the sand era rather than social justice forum where everyone was expected to step up.



 
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Keefe has accomplished nothing, absolutely nothing, but yeah, let's keep him around another year.

Just keep on rewarding failure.

They failed not once, not twice, not even three times, but an astonishing four times so far under Keefe. It's the coaches job to motivate the players. To get these guys to perform their best.

I'd say Keefe failed.

You would think after three consecutive first round flops it would've taken at least making the conference finals to give Keefe any job security. The fact so many are content with a single series win is pathetic. Last year should have been a make it or break it season.

They won a single round and broke out the beers.

Figured that was good enough to secure them all jobs for life and gave up. Got their asses handed to them by a team that finished a whopping nineteen points beneath them in the standings. That pathetic performance was good enough to bring the gang all back for another kick at the can apparently.

Including the same coach that has failed so many times already.
 
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If we keep keefe I may cut back on watching

Seriously, this guy is way out of his league and we still run him back
We shoulda brought back Babcock for the lulz.

I can imagine Auston, Willie and Mitch telling Keefe "f*** off Sheldon we're not skating anymore" and they skip out of the locker room to go twerk on tik tok and hang out with their on ice spirit animal (cuddly, kind, sweat softie) Justin Bieber.

Or we should trade a 2nd for Tortorella, hell maybe even the Boston 1st.
 
Johnson on why Leafs can’t walk Nylander to free agency, whether Keefe gets an extension before next season, and more - TSN.ca

TSN Hockey Analyst Mike Johnson joins First Up to discuss the latest news from around the NHL. Johnson shares his thoughts on whether other NHL teams might try to mimic the Golden Knights’ aggressive trading tendencies, why the Maple Leafs cannot walk William Nylander to free agency even if it means having to trade him, whether Sheldon Keefe will receive an extension if he returns to coach the Maple Leafs next season, and more.
 
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I'm just gonna say right now that if the Leafs hire Quenneville my opinion of the franchise will drop significantly. I couldn't give less of a f*** how good of a coach he is. f*** him for letting Beach down and allowing that rapist f*** Aldrich to go on and commit more sexual assaults by not speaking out and sending a letter of recommendation to boot. Jesus Christ guys, come on. I'm all for doing "everything possible" to win but there has to be a line somewhere FFS.
I’m with you 100%

Well there is this.
Minimum 250 games coached and #1 in the history of the NHL in win %

NHL Coach Register | Hockey-Reference.com
(Just click on points%)
How has he done in the playoffs
 
unless there is someone else we can get right away - i don't get why people are so amazed that Trevliving is going to keep his "i can fire the coach bulllet" as long as he can. the first sign of trouble/slide - that's when you fire such an easy out.
 
unless there is someone else we can get right away - i don't get why people are so amazed that Trevliving is going to keep his "i can fire the coach bulllet" as long as he can. the first sign of trouble/slide - that's when you fire such an easy out.
Yeah, there is really no rush to do anything right now
 
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He can and should do as much work as possible, but he hasn't even been out of the league for two years, how much work could he have put in? I'm all for rehabilitation but we're talking about a man who turned a blind eye to one of his own players who was in crisis because he and the team were in the middle of a Cup run, and even after it was over couldn't properly address it and let the perpetrator walk to do it again. To me that's too heinous a thing to look past when discussing Quenneville and any potential future employment in the league.

If you want to read more about it The Athletic has good stories on the subject, if no subscription Sportsnet and TSN have good articles too. It was a gross case of neglect and apathy that cost Beach his career and hurt the lives of other young men.
that is a question that the board/Shanahan need to ask. but I wouldn't automatically assume that he hasn't either. as someone else pointed back, a lot of that should be on Bowman/the board etc in Chicago as well. - not to mention as someone else pointed out how we handled accusations of that nature back then is a lot different than how we treat them now. (just like in 2009 how those accusations were handled differently than it was in 1999, and 1989 so on and so forth)


Again. as I said Quennvile will have to live with his actions for the rest of his life. He'll have to live with people like you (Not a slam, please don't take it that way - just going by your comments of how you and people like Steve Dangle want nothing to do with him, and will lose respect for the team for even going there). for a horrendous case of bad judgement (and probably just as some had said thinking that those in a better power of authority to do so to do something) .

If he saw nothing wrong with what he did and was belligerent - then for sure. dont pass go, don't collect 200 dollars, no soup for you the whole 9 yards.

Like I said - I remember when Keefe was being rumoured to being hired and all his dirty laundry was being brought up, and people thought it was disgusting that the Leafs were going to give him a second chance and how it will distract the team and people should think about those who had been involved, and yet he was given a second chance. he spoke about it and then we moved on

So I truly don't understand why Quennville can't be affordable to same ability to grow from this (and actually use it as a platform to educated other people because I refuse to believe this is just a one and done thing throughout the league (any league) - and that is not taking away from who he let down when last time he was in a position of authority, nor the people who got hurt because he chose not to investigate further.

For me, it's not just about "getting the best coach" or "winning at any cost" as I said I am a huge believer in second chances if the person makes the effort. if Q has - then he deserves a chance. I said the same thing about keefe when his past was being held against him too.
 
I'm pretty sure Keefe will be the coach next year and then the GM will make a coaching move if keefe doesn't change his style and have success
 
Well there is this.
Minimum 250 games coached and #1 in the history of the NHL in win %

NHL Coach Register | Hockey-Reference.com
(Just click on points%)
It would be a much bigger deal if every coach started with team that was over .600% the year before.
Todd McLellan was there until he left San Jose and same with Boudreau in Washington. Jay Woodcroft is working on the same thing. Its a snapshot in time with a talented core in their prime.
 
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I'm pretty sure Keefe will be the coach next year and then the GM will make a coaching move if keefe doesn't change his style and have success
If coach pickings are thin today, they will be thinner during the season. You then probably have to ride out the season with Keefe if he doesn't have success.

Gallant is out there for the taking. Vegas jumped on Cassidy last summer and the rest is history.
 
I'm pretty sure Keefe will be the coach next year and then the GM will make a coaching move if keefe doesn't change his style and have success
The President will be gone as well then unless he can provide proof that Tree somehow forced him to retain Keefe. Kyle was Shanny's last bullet, even though he really didn't want the guy to leave. I can't picture him betting his career on SK now, especially if he isn't blowing smoke about retaining the core.
 
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The President will be gone as well then unless he can provide proof that Tree somehow forced him to retain Keefe. Kyle was Shanny's last bullet, even though he really didn't want the guy to leave. I can't picture him betting his career on SK now, especially if he isn't blowing smoke about retaining the core.
Shanny is also sextupling down on the same core.
 
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If coach pickings are thin today, they will be thinner during the season. You then probably have to ride out the season with Keefe if he doesn't have success.

Gallant is out there for the taking. Vegas jumped on Cassidy last summer and the rest is history.
It seems like they couldn't go with another rookie so a lot of good candidates wouldn't be on their list. Gallant, Hynes, Boudreau?

Edit - Halpern maybe. Only an assistant but 300 games with the Bolts. Jeff Daniels, same thing with the Canes.
 
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If Treliving wants to really shake things up with this team, it should start by bringing in a new coach.

Sure, he can say that he thinks Keefe is a good coach in his PC, but there needs to be a new voice in that locker room. One that is going to bring in a fresh perspective and likely, a different system.

The thing is, it would most likely be best if at least two of the “core 4” were moved before bringing in a new coach.

Until the contract situation is taken care for those players, the coach isn’t going to have a lot of weight in the room. If you move on from this core, then we’d have a completely new identity.

We’d have a bunch of players looking to gel together and with the new coach. Everyone would be pulling in the same direction and egos wouldn’t be there to get in the way of that.

Unfortunately, I have a bad feeling we’re going to see Keefe behind the bench to at least start the season.
 

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