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Sheldon Keefe Discussion Thread

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BallardEra said:
Trotz is no longer available but this is a myth. Trotz coached with the talent he had. With the Caps his teams were at the top of the league when it came to scoring goals.

He was smart enough to know that the Isles weren't the Caps and coached with the talent he was given.
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Very true...a good coach will adapt to the talent and not force his system on them a la Babcock.
 
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Da Mash said:
I dont hate Keefer......He got his stars to play defence and that is no easy task. He also has produced great regular season records.

Sure there are dumb things he continued to do....has his pet cats in Kerfoot and Holl....but they are gone now. He should of rested Gio and others more near the end of the season.

But I like his style of hockey.

I sure dont want Trotz and anyone else that plays the trap system. Its like watching paint dry.
Boring hockey.

If they do go and release Keefer ....I hope its a young coach ....not one of these guys from the "old boys club" that get recycled every few years and pop up on other teams. But our new GM likes experience behind the bench.
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Who are you?
 
Mess said:
Keefe on merit should be long gone as he gets outcoached badly each year by teams 18-20 points below him in the standings who are vast underdogs.

They will likely keep him this year for a smoother transition for our new GM as the players are familiar with Sheldon's systems and what to expect from him and how to manipulate him.

If Keefe criticizes them they simply go public and let everyone know the coach was out of line, and then coach bows down appologises and things go back to the inmates running the asylum.
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Whether people like Keefe or not, it is highly unlikely from a new GM hire standpoint that he will get rid of a guy he’s never met, never worked with, but knows gets a 100 points in the regular season to make the playoffs.

Why would you immediately cause more problems for yourself starting a new job. I expect a lot of status quo the first year.
 
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Trapper said:
Whether people like Keefe or not, it is highly unlikely from a new GM hire standpoint that he will get rid of a guy he’s never met, never worked with, but knows gets a 100 points in the regular season to make the playoffs.

Why would you immediately cause more problems for yourself starting a new job. I expect a lot of status quo the first year.
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I also thinking timing is key here .. Some very good coaches have changed teams already and there simply not be an obvious replacement unless it was a person GM Treliving had a past relationship with.

Also with the pressing needs of NMC kicking in and new contracts and the draft and free agency etc etc there are much much more pressing and higher priority needs.

You could fire Keefe in the lazy days of August once you get that far down your to-do and bucket list.
 
Trapper said:
Whether people like Keefe or not, it is highly unlikely from a new GM hire standpoint that he will get rid of a guy he’s never met, never worked with, but knows gets a 100 points in the regular season to make the playoffs.

Why would you immediately cause more problems for yourself starting a new job. I expect a lot of status quo the first year.
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This also brings up an interesting question, if the Leafs win a Cup in these next few seasons without Treliving doing much tinkering with the team does that suddenly mean Dubas was a great GM all along?
 
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authentic said:
This also brings up an interesting question, if the Leafs win a Cup in these next few seasons without Treliving doing much tinkering with the team does that suddenly mean Dubas was a great GM all along?
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Dubas would have to receive credit for the contributors he brought to the team/organization.
 
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Dreakmur said:
Once he signed Tavares, yes we should have moved one of Nylander or Marner to build in other areas. If not for the Tavares contract, we could have kept all the guys Dubas inherited and also built around them.
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No way should we get rid of any of the other three due to Tavares if anyone needs to go it’s him not worth that price at all
 
arso40 said:
No way should we get rid of any of the other three due to Tavares if anyone needs to go it’s him not worth that price at all
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He’s the only one who has had a NMC this whole time, so you can’t trade him. Keeping all 4 was not ideal, and you can’t trade Tavares. That leaves you with two option; either a sub-optimal team build or trading Marner / Nylander.
 
authentic said:
This also brings up an interesting question, if the Leafs win a Cup in these next few seasons without Treliving doing much tinkering with the team does that suddenly mean Dubas was a great GM all along?
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Why? Only 9 players from the opening roster will be the same from last season opening roster. If comparing playoffs roster, that’s 13 of 23 players returning from playoff rosters.
 
Dreakmur said:
Once he signed Tavares, yes we should have moved one of Nylander or Marner to build in other areas. If not for the Tavares contract, we could have kept all the guys Dubas inherited and also built around them.
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Agreed. The Tavares signing was an unmitigated disaster for team success

authentic said:
This also brings up an interesting question, if the Leafs win a Cup in these next few seasons without Treliving doing much tinkering with the team does that suddenly mean Dubas was a great GM all along?
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This sounds like a last ditch effort to save Dubas’s time with the Leafs
 
Is Shanahan being petty and stringing along Keefe until there are no NHL gigs available?

authentic said:
This also brings up an interesting question, if the Leafs win a Cup in these next few seasons without Treliving doing much tinkering with the team does that suddenly mean Dubas was a great GM all along?
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Considering that Dubas did not draft or acquire any of Rielly, Matthews, Marner and Nylander. That's a big fat no.
How can Treliving not do a bunch of tinkering? The team needs to bring in 6 NHL level forwards this summer, has to get its goaltending situation settled and quite frankly has a defense that needs an overhaul.
 
justashadowof said:
Is Shanahan being petty and stringing along Keefe until there are no NHL gigs available?


Considering that Dubas did not draft or acquire any of Rielly, Matthews, Marner and Nylander. That's a big fat no.
How can Treliving not do a bunch of tinkering? The team needs to bring in 6 NHL level forwards this summer, has to get its goaltending situation settled and quite frankly has a defense that needs an overhaul.
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Sorry to disappoint you but I think Keefe returns. Word is Shanahan likes him. He probably told Treliving he likes him and Tre would have no reason to replace a guy he doesn’t know yet.
If Shanny was fully willing to bring Dubas back, to run the core back, he’s willing to bring Keefe back.
An extension is more likely than a firing.

authentic said:
This also brings up an interesting question, if the Leafs win a Cup in these next few seasons without Treliving doing much tinkering with the team does that suddenly mean Dubas was a great GM all along?
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This is a good question. Certainly everyone has a piece of the credit, with the guy that actually assembled what wins leading the pack.
The only thing I know for certain here is that the debate on who gets credit will never end. But that’s fine. I can enjoy a Cup while people argue that one. I don’t care.
 
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Trapper said:
Sorry to disappoint you but I think Keefe returns. Word is Shanahan likes him. He probably told Treliving he likes him and Tre would have no reason to replace a guy he doesn’t know yet.
If Shanny was fully willing to bring Dubas back, to run the core back, he’s willing to bring Keefe back.
An extension is more likely than a firing.
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Well I'm not particularly disappointed about Keefe as I was about Shanahan thinking everything was alright with the direction of the team. The coach can change at any time and in a month's time after the change it'll be like the old coach was never there. I still say, and I said this before Dubas left, that Shanahan should have been gone at the same time as Dubas. Shanahan has seemed to be an absentee president excepting the past month and around the time he hired Babcock/Lou/Dubas. He allowed Dubas to turn the front office into Dubas' own personal fifedom. If Shanahan was truly surprised by Dubas' escape plan, I don't get it. He can't be that naive or dumb about the possible implications of putting the GM on notice with no extension. I've never met Dubas and nothing about the phony baloney tears for his family, the Leafs or nowhere BS, the laundered sniping through his media snitches, the entitled behaviour, the lack of masculine decorum came as a surprise to me. The signs were there and the situation had been formed by Shanahan and the board.
 
Guess we are keeping him. He woulda been fired already if we weren't keeping him around. I don't see the point of waiting
 
authentic said:
Probably best to wait and see if there are better options first
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Yeah, but you gotta be careful not to be stringing a guy along if you don’t actually want him. That’s bush league imo. If he’s not the guy, then move on and let him find new employment
 
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