Yeah this worry the players wont respect him if hes without a contract is bullshit
If he earns an extension he earns an extension.. if you want your coach to stay you run through a wall for him...
Sheldon Keefe Discussion Thread
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If he earns an extension he earns an extension.. if you want your coach to stay you run through a wall for him...
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4. An extension for Keefe makes a lot of sense but ultimately means little. It makes sense from the point of view that it takes a narrative off the table — that he’s a lame-duck coach. But Treliving could still fire Keefe if he wanted to make a change. The Leafs after all, paid Babcock for four years not to coach. We all know this, but optics of an extension is simply good PR. And probably would also play well with the team’s coaching, training, physiotherapy staff and beyond.
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2. Asked about the future of coach Sheldon Keefe, Treliving was quick to reference Bob Hartley, whom the GM inherited in Calgary, kept and watched win the 2015 Jack Adams Award.
What Treliving did not mention was that he fired Hartley in May 2016, less than a year after Hartley’s trophy win.
Treliving’s easy play here would be to retain Keefe and pocket his fire-the-coach card, which he could pull out a couple of months into the season if the Maple Leafs are underperforming.
Maybe Keefe would thrive with a fresh perspective from above?
The snag to that plan is, Keefe has always been a great regular-season coach. His faltering has come head-to-head in spring — when it’s too late to make a change. Not unlike the Leafs core, that’s when he’ll really be judged.
Some have suggested Keefe be extended so he doesn’t enter 2023-24 as a lame duck and potential distraction. We can’t see that happening. He’s 1-4 in playoff series.
Results should predate reward, and that’s long been an issue during president Brendan Shanahan’s regime.
If Treliving keeps Keefe, keep an eye on who replaces former assistant Spencer Carbery on the bench.
Does Keefe get to make that hire? Or does Treliving bring in a legit head coach candidate to look over Keefe’s shoulder?
Kinda like how the New Jersey Devils brought in Andrew Brunette last summer to work beside Lindy Ruff.
That move ended well for all involved, but it certainly stirred some early-season speculation and fueled a sense of urgency.
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2. Asked about the future of coach Sheldon Keefe, Treliving was quick to reference Bob Hartley, whom the GM inherited in Calgary, kept and watched win the 2015 Jack Adams Award.
What Treliving did not mention was that he fired Hartley in May 2016, less than a year after Hartley’s trophy win.
Treliving’s easy play here would be to retain Keefe and pocket his fire-the-coach card, which he could pull out a couple of months into the season if the Maple Leafs are underperforming.
Maybe Keefe would thrive with a fresh perspective from above?
The snag to that plan is, Keefe has always been a great regular-season coach. His faltering has come head-to-head in spring — when it’s too late to make a change. Not unlike the Leafs core, that’s when he’ll really be judged.
Some have suggested Keefe be extended so he doesn’t enter 2023-24 as a lame duck and potential distraction. We can’t see that happening. He’s 1-4 in playoff series.
Results should predate reward, and that’s long been an issue during president Brendan Shanahan’s regime.
If Treliving keeps Keefe, keep an eye on who replaces former assistant Spencer Carbery on the bench.
Does Keefe get to make that hire? Or does Treliving bring in a legit head coach candidate to look over Keefe’s shoulder?
Kinda like how the New Jersey Devils brought in Andrew Brunette last summer to work beside Lindy Ruff.
That move ended well for all involved, but it certainly stirred some early-season speculation and fueled a sense of urgency.
The team needs a new direction, and a new voice
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Topic: The coach
Real Treliving quote: "I have talked to Sheldon about it. It is a unique situation. Maybe there is some discomfort, but that is what happens in the business here."
"I look at Sheldon, and I told him I am not coming in with any preconceived notions."
"I come in here and I look at Sheldon’s record. It is a pretty good record. In the last two regular seasons, what has he been? 115 and 111 points."
"We haven’t had playoff success. Okay. Sheldon has four or five years in the league as a younger coach. To me, if Sheldon Keefe is on the market right now, he is at or near the top of the list of any of these vacancies."
"I am really excited to get to know him. We have to move through this quickly. We are going to go pedal down here and move through things as fast as we can."
"I am coming in with no master plan other than that we want to get the very best coach for this team. I think we have a pretty damn good coach in place right now."
What it means in plain English: I think this is the healthiest place to start from. Treliving respects what Keefe has done and the biggest thing is, who would replace him? So if the new GM thinks the coach has done a good job, it’s not all that unlikely that he'll keep him until one of the few coaches Treliving wants most is available. Or hey, maybe Keefe ends up being the guy he wants most. Still, I do think it’s great Treliving left the door open to go either way here. If they disagree philosophically, then it could end before it starts. I’d expect an answer to this question within the week.
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Just my own personal theory, the players want Keefe gone but Shanahan is bringing him back to let the players know they dont run shit.
Johnston saying players were blunt in their exit meetings, then ROR on Overdrive saying he and other players wish they tried other things during that series vs Florida. I imagine the players were pretty blunt in saying Keefe is shit, which we all pretty much know, but in Shannys mind you cant give these guys everything they want.
Sucks because it will probably mean the team starts off poorly next year or we get to see Keefe shit the bed in the playoffs again, but I see the Login from Shanahan.
Johnston saying players were blunt in their exit meetings, then ROR on Overdrive saying he and other players wish they tried other things during that series vs Florida. I imagine the players were pretty blunt in saying Keefe is shit, which we all pretty much know, but in Shannys mind you cant give these guys everything they want.
Sucks because it will probably mean the team starts off poorly next year or we get to see Keefe shit the bed in the playoffs again, but I see the Login from Shanahan.
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Just a guess, but it feels like the "explosive" end of season meetings were players venting their frustration about coaching
Can't blame them
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I think you are bang on. Makes sense. They never found their rhythm after the deadline
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So this will give us a good indication of who is running this organization. The GM or the El Presidente?
Surely after players being blunt and the recent RoR comments, Tre wouldn't bring Keefer back would he?
Asking for a raise and autonomy.
I think they are waiting to see who will be available before making a decision. Q might be available and if the League let him coach, he is the best one out there. MLSE might not hire Q but the other teams will thus it might make other coaches available.
No he wouldn’t.
The only way he was getting that money was if he was unemployed. It’s kinda like the coaching version of alimony.
But the explosive and blunt stuff also needs to include what EF said about the core 4 and the 19 and how the 19 felt left out.
Once you include that, it might be both Keefe and the core 4.
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Yeah makes sense Keefe has been outcoached in all playoff series.
Just his handling of the lines post-deadline was shocking let alone what he did in the playoffs.
christ almighty he's not gone yet kick his ass out the door and get a person who knows how to coach and can try different plaays
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The regular-season record is impressive, but the playoff track record is not. I’d argue the Leafs have been outcoached and/or net neutral in all five of the playoff series Keefe has coached.
We’ve referenced this a few times, but the team plays really slow and refuses to create offense from the points, which are two elements a team needs to have success in the playoffs. Even just managing the gamesmanship of a playoff series has been poor; it’s not the coach’s fault that the Leafs aren’t getting calls as their players get mauled, but you can certainly wield the power of the podium to sway the narrative in a way that’s matter of fact without whining. Paul Maurice seemingly did exactly that against the Maple Leafs.
The head coach has routinely loaded the stars with ice time no matter how they’re playing and has been trigger shy when it comes to criticizing them (and quick to walk it back when he has). Even at the start of the playoffs, when they had acquired some legitimate forward depth, what was the first thing they did? Try to load up Ryan O’Reilly on the second line, leaving a predictably weak third line, and the team just got ran over. Only after that were they forced to change. Would new leadership up top – perhaps pushing for more accountability – change this dynamic?
also fo note, the guy never learns:
In Pittsburgh, it was noticeable that Kyle Dubas instantly stated, “If people want to bet against Mike Sullivan, Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Kris Letang, and others, they can go ahead and do so, but I am going to bet on them and go with them here.” He further emphasized that Mike Sullivan, “can coach forever. He is a great coach. There is no real expiration date on Mike.” This all sounded eerily familiar to his approach in Toronto.
ROR on Overdrive said “we could have tried other things in the second round”. He said it twice and said something along the lines of others agreeing.
Could this be about him almost exclusively playing L3? Him never getting L2 etc.
No matter how you look at it, it isn’t a glowing endorsement of our AHL level coach.
The regular-season record is impressive, but the playoff track record is not. I’d argue the Leafs have been outcoached and/or net neutral in all five of the playoff series Keefe has coached.
We’ve referenced this a few times, but the team plays really slow and refuses to create offense from the points, which are two elements a team needs to have success in the playoffs. Even just managing the gamesmanship of a playoff series has been poor; it’s not the coach’s fault that the Leafs aren’t getting calls as their players get mauled, but you can certainly wield the power of the podium to sway the narrative in a way that’s matter of fact without whining. Paul Maurice seemingly did exactly that against the Maple Leafs.
The head coach has routinely loaded the stars with ice time no matter how they’re playing and has been trigger shy when it comes to criticizing them (and quick to walk it back when he has). Even at the start of the playoffs, when they had acquired some legitimate forward depth, what was the first thing they did? Try to load up Ryan O’Reilly on the second line, leaving a predictably weak third line, and the team just got ran over. Only after that were they forced to change. Would new leadership up top – perhaps pushing for more accountability – change this dynamic?
also fo note, the guy never learns:
In Pittsburgh, it was noticeable that Kyle Dubas instantly stated, “If people want to bet against Mike Sullivan, Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Kris Letang, and others, they can go ahead and do so, but I am going to bet on them and go with them here.” He further emphasized that Mike Sullivan, “can coach forever. He is a great coach. There is no real expiration date on Mike.” This all sounded eerily familiar to his approach in Toronto.
ROR on Overdrive said “we could have tried other things in the second round”. He said it twice and said something along the lines of others agreeing.
Could this be about him almost exclusively playing L3? Him never getting L2 etc.
No matter how you look at it, it isn’t a glowing endorsement of our AHL level coach.
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Keefe should be gone if they arent trading anyone. You need a different look next season. The goal is to win in the playoffs, Keefe cannot adjust and adapt. The body of work is there. Columbus, MTL = fails. This year vs Tampa, could have easily lost, thought he got outcoached this yr too
You can pick pieces of the mistakes Dubas made, one being that he replaced a veteran coach, who knew what it took to win, with a rookie coach. The internet let's us piece together what happened.
Babs coached a disciplined system (see Marners quote below), and Keefe came in and didn't preach discipline hockey he said play freely, play skilled, play to your god given talent (See Matthews and Marners quote below) Of course the young players thought this was excellent.
Interesting enough, after 3 bad playoffs with Keefe coaching, Trotz basically says the leafs play too freely and not disciplined enough.
Nice work Dubas!
Babs coached a disciplined system (see Marners quote below), and Keefe came in and didn't preach discipline hockey he said play freely, play skilled, play to your god given talent (See Matthews and Marners quote below) Of course the young players thought this was excellent.
Interesting enough, after 3 bad playoffs with Keefe coaching, Trotz basically says the leafs play too freely and not disciplined enough.
Nice work Dubas!
Interesting quote by Oreilly. I listened to him on Overdrive and didn't hear it. Was it near the end? I stopped listening towards the end.
I'm hoping Oreilly is having a change of heart because after the season ended, there were reports he wouldn't be coming back. But he seemed more interested and excited in the Overdrive discussion, he mentioned the change of Dubas to Tree and mentioned a few times that "hopefully something gets done here"... I don't like to put a lot into ufas comments especially on local stations, but he said a second time without even being asked. I think maybe he might have more interest in staying if their is a a coach change..or maybe he and Dubas had talked extension and he knew that what Dubas envisioned would never work. But Tree highly values Oreilly type players.
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Keefe needs to go.
And he needs to go now. Right now. And Shanahan needs to go with him.
These two morons continue to best themselves in the dodum department. The team is no better now than when Keefe became coach. Why wait for the inevitable conclusion to play out?
Just turf these two turds now and get it over with.
Toss them to the curb like the garbage they are. Strip anything Maples Leafs they are wearing off them and throw them onto the sidewalk with their wee-wee's hanging out. The old ladies can walk by with their little dogs pointing fingers at them.
"Shame, shame, know your name".
Brand them with an "L" on the one cheek. Leave a boot print on the other punting them out the door. Run their asses out of town like they deserve for pissing away the rebuild.
I've seen the best years of this Leafs generation destroyed by madness.
In vain attempt at proving some nerd theorems about roster construction on the world's largest hockey stage. Squandering the prime years of the most talented Leafs players in team history in the process. All in the name of Studs'n'Duds.
The glory of "we can and we will".
It's pretty clear by now they can't and they won't. It's time to accept the fact these guys failed. Move on now before it's too late, before the damage becomes irreparable.
That means replacing Shanahan and coach Keefe now.
Right now.
And he needs to go now. Right now. And Shanahan needs to go with him.
These two morons continue to best themselves in the dodum department. The team is no better now than when Keefe became coach. Why wait for the inevitable conclusion to play out?
Just turf these two turds now and get it over with.
Toss them to the curb like the garbage they are. Strip anything Maples Leafs they are wearing off them and throw them onto the sidewalk with their wee-wee's hanging out. The old ladies can walk by with their little dogs pointing fingers at them.
"Shame, shame, know your name".
Brand them with an "L" on the one cheek. Leave a boot print on the other punting them out the door. Run their asses out of town like they deserve for pissing away the rebuild.
I've seen the best years of this Leafs generation destroyed by madness.
In vain attempt at proving some nerd theorems about roster construction on the world's largest hockey stage. Squandering the prime years of the most talented Leafs players in team history in the process. All in the name of Studs'n'Duds.
The glory of "we can and we will".
It's pretty clear by now they can't and they won't. It's time to accept the fact these guys failed. Move on now before it's too late, before the damage becomes irreparable.
That means replacing Shanahan and coach Keefe now.
Right now.
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If Keefe is so terrible, what does this say about Kyle Dubas ability to recognize what makes a good hockey coach?
Isn't this the only guy he's ever really hired to coach his teams from SSM, to the Marlies, to the Toronto Maple Leafs?
