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IPS said:
Exactly.

Keefe will be fired ~20ish games into the season a la Babcock 2019, atleast that's what I believe is a rational prediction.
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Then why are they talking multi year contract?

nuck said:
They need access and quotes to get anybody looking at them so I expect they will fall in line as soon as they can. Talking about Kyle or Shanny vs Kyle is to generate clicks but its getting close to people not caring much any more. Most of the media will get on board first chance they get. Its be positive or starve, and they may not get a second chance if they are perceived as hostile to the new regime.

Roy left Colorado because he felt he didn't have enough say over player personnel decisions and that was with kind of VP title as well. Even if there is no substance at all to Shanny steering Dubas around that out front expectation would seem to require a huge amount of trust. FWIW I would be fine with him and I believe the coach should have substantial impact because its his game plan that has to be executed.
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He would be a great candidate & refershingly candid. He dosent BS his way through things a la maple leafs
 
ACC1224 said:
He would have gotten paid regardless.

My initial point was more that many said 'he would never coach again' because no one would hire him.
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Many would agree with you on the point you made.
As for working again or salary:

The Leafs would have gotten a break with Babcock coaching elsewhere.
NHL coach-employment agreements include a “right of offset,” a rule that forbids double-dipping of any sort.

Any income Babcock earns from now on coaching, consulting, media, working for Hockey Canada, whatever — is subtracted from what the Leafs owe him.
 
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Trapper said:
Many would agree with you on the point you made.
As for working again or salary:

The Leafs would have gotten a break with Babcock coaching elsewhere.
NHL coach-employment agreements include a “right of offset,” a rule that forbids double-dipping of any sort.

Any income Babcock earns from now on coaching, consulting, media, working for Hockey Canada, whatever — is subtracted from what the Leafs owe him.
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Didn’t Babs contract expire at the end of this season? I think he is off the books now, maybe that is why he may look for work again.
 
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We haven't seen yet what it'll be like the bought-and-paid-for pro-Dubas Toronto hockey media start sniping at the new administration. Will they fall in line and soft ball the new people or go scorch and burn on people they perceive as the enemy?

Patrick Roy would be so entertaining and so different. He's unbelievably competitive and A type personality. My instincts are that the local media would campaign against a personality like him but maybe being a French Canadian in Toronto could allow him to pull it off at least for a few seasons.
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No to Patrick. He reminds of another Bob Hartley type of guy or Pierre Paige
Too emotional at times to be a coach
 
Tanenbaum rewards failure with shocking regularity.

I can't think of a better way to ensure they go out early again next year than by bringing Keefe back.

Just fire him already. Something has to be done to stop this purgatory of mediocrity. Doing nothing is no longer acceptable.

It never should have been in the first place.

Every year it's the same thing. The same team, with the same problems, with the same results. That's because Keefe keeps making the same mistakes over and over and over and over.

Everyone at ML$E makes millions while the fans keep taking it up the dookie chute.

The sad thing is that Keefe gets paid all that money to know more than us. Because he's not competing against people on these forums. He's competing against other NHL coaches.

And he's not doing a very good job when it matters most.

But the players all love Keefe. Because he isn't a big meanie who yells at them. So, once again, the coach who can't win in the playoffs will get extended.

That's what being a complete failure as a head coach gets you in LeafsLand: a new contract.

Losers who like losing rewarding others losers losing.
 
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TMLBlueandWhite said:
Tanenbaum rewards failure with shocking regularity.

I can't think of a better way to ensure they go out early again next year than by bringing Keefe back.

Just fire him already. Something has to be done to stop this purgatory of mediocrity. Doing nothing is no longer acceptable.

It never should have been in the first place.

Every year it's the same thing. The same team, with the same problems, with the same results. That's because Keefe keeps making the same mistakes over and over and over and over.

Everyone at ML$E makes millions while the fans keep taking it up the dookie chute.

The sad thing is that Keefe gets paid all that money to know more than us. Because he's not competing against people on these forums. He's competing against other NHL coaches.

And he's not doing a very good job when it matters most.

But the players all love Keefe. Because he isn't a big meanie who yells at them. So, once again, the coach who can't win in the playoffs will get extended.

That's what being a complete failure as a head coach gets you in LeafsLand: a new contract.

Losers who like losing rewarding others losers losing.
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Tanenbaum and MLSEL know how to make money by preying on it's huge passionate fanbase. They have no clue how to win on the ice. They may want to look at Vegas when it comes to running hockey team. 3 coaches in 6 years and more success in 6 years than the Leafs in 56. Leafs fans deserve better but it is their own fault for bleeding more blue and white than the team and its management.
 
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ToneDog said:
Tanenbaum and MLSEL know how to make money by preying on it's huge passionate fanbase. They have no clue how to win on the ice. They may want to look at Vegas when it comes to running hockey team. 3 coaches in 6 years and more success in 6 years than the Leafs in 56. Leafs fans deserve better but it is their own fault for bleeding more blue and white than the team and its management.
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Look at the moves they've made too in bringing in players like Stone, Pietrangelo and Eichel.

They went to the finals and still weren't afraid to shake up the roster in a big way.
 
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TMLBlueandWhite said:
Look at the moves they've made too in bringing in players like Stone, Pietrangelo and Eichel.

They went to the finals and still weren't afraid to shake up the roster in a big way.
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They gave away Patches, Dodonov, and Schmidt and traded Tuch, Krebs plus more to make it work. They are not afraid to make the tough decisions. Leafs management are p***yes when it comes to tough decisions. They get pissed at Kadri and force a trade and end up with Kerfoot and Barrie. Losers.
 
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ToneDog said:
They gave away Patches, Dodonov, and Schmidt and traded Tuch, Krebs plus more to make it work. They are not afraid to make the tough decisions. Leafs management are p***yes when it comes to tough decisions. They get pissed at Kadri and force a trade and end up with Kerfoot and Barrie. Losers.
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I'm beginning to wonder if Shanahan is trying to destroy the club out of spite against the fans.

I hope he gets sacked before his contract runs out. By the time he finishes dragging this team into the gutter it could take years for a successor to get them back to the top. But who continues to let him carry on?

Tanenbaum has been, and always will be, the problem.

At this point opposing fans, Tanenbaum, and Shanahan himself are the only ones who still believe in this core and Keefe. If they don't come to grips with the situation soon they'll be in danger of falling down the standings. Once that happens its hard getting back.

Shanahan is just an agenda driving muppet though.

I've no interest in anything he says anymore. He seems to have had a common sense bypass. He's either in denial or can't see the truth.

Deluded fools who can't see the writing on the wall will be this team's downfall.
 
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I really don't see the sense in keeping Keefe if you're going to keep the core 4. You're just running it back again and hoping the team lucks it's way into the second or third rounds. Keefe is the guy who didn't have a set roster for the playoffs and continued to play around with a 11-7 for the final month and into the playoffs.

Not that Keefe is a bad coach, but sometimes to advance to the next level coaching changes are necessary. Casey was fired after winning coach of the year and a franchise high of 59-23 record in 2017-2018. The next year they win the NBA championship after making shrewd moves on the roster as well. You can't keep running it back with Keefe and expecting him to change.
 
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TMLBlueandWhite said:
Look at the moves they've made too in bringing in players like Stone, Pietrangelo and Eichel.

They went to the finals and still weren't afraid to shake up the roster in a big way.
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It’s actually embarrassing. Vegas took everyone’s leftovers and built a team that’s been to two SCF.

They were ruthless and all their moves were about winning. It must be nice cheering for a team like that.
 
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Zero1 said:
It’s actually embarrassing. Vegas took everyone’s leftovers and built a team that’s been to two SCF.

They were ruthless and all their moves were about winning. It must be nice cheering for a team like that.
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It is embarassing.

Especially for the fans.

We're the ones paying for it all.
 
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To me there is NO point at all in extending Keefer .. he is under contract for this upcoming season right? .. so if Tree wants to test him out he can .. then he can decide yes or no based on game play .. terrible move as ur 1st one to extend guy then fire him as all you did was pay his severance via contract .. this would be da STUPIEST move ever if it gets done .. waste of time and money all over it
 
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