Sheldon Keefe Discussion Thread

[geo25]

Pittsburgh's new president. Dubas will use Artificial Intelligence as his AGM.
LOL

He needs to as he dosen't have much personally....I dont think his gig will last too long. This smooth talking, snake oil salesman has used every trick in the book to get to where he is....only problem is he'll need to produce results....he didn't here...

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Hiring an assistant coach to usurp Keefe is a stupid move and likely won’t even happen. The problems with Sheldon aren’t regular season related. The team is talented enough to have a great, but never elite regular season. If they repeat their last two seasons, which is extremely likely given we’re running it back with the core, there won’t be a low point to fire him.

The real problems are all playoff related, and waiting another season to confirm that is incredibly dumb. He’s always outcoached, has a terrible home playoff record, and is incapable of making adjustments.

 

[PromisedLand]

 

[nuck]

Makes sense I guess, but like the Dubas extension, if he was one of the problems, you are married to him for a bunch more years of failure. Todd McLellan was a great regular season coach in SJ and with more success post season than Keefe but still got moved because its easier to change 1 guy than sift through the 20 looking for a magic mix.

I have not seen any sustained masterful coaching from SK but is it his ability or the fit? It would be interesting to have his thoughts on the lineup he was given vs the lineup he would most prefer.

I think that Sutter was the right coach for the Kings lineup in 12 and 13 but not the Flames in 22-23. It looks like Paul Maurice is the right coach for this Panthers group also. I don't think Keefe is the ideal fit for this Leaf lineup and it bothers me that the core will be opened up when we may never have seen them play for the right coach. Maybe the whole core isn't bad, but we don't know so changes will be made based on salaries and trade value rather than who can make them a winner vs be a passenger on a winner.

 

[Racer88]

Fire Keefe, hire coach Q and when 1 out of 32 teams wins the cup next year (not us) fire Treliving, fire coach Q...

Or just do the same thing over again for year 8 and send the boys golfing early again

Keefe has to go…….if your going to make changes then make some dam changes and not the same dam product yet again

So what will be the point of watching next year if it’s just the same crap but with a different guy moving around the perimeter players

 

[ToneDog]

Or just do the same thing over again for year 8 and send the boys golfing early again

Keefe has to go…….if your going to make changes then make some dam changes and not the same dam product yet again


So what will be the point of watching next year if it’s just the same crap but with a different guy moving around the perimeter players

Guessing regular season TV numbers for Leafs games will plumet as most fans will simply wait for the playoffs. I mean if you thought the regular season meant nothing last year, it means even less this year. The only thing that will peak interest is if Tre brings in some new blood.

 

[socko]

Remember, nothing was going to change if Dubas hadn’t done whatever he did.
It would have been same GM, core and probably coach.
Now everyone (almost) is excited because it’s not the same (but it is) thing. So far.
I will give Treliving the chance to completely surprise us.
But the Leafs only changed a complete run it back by accident.

Treliving has Lord Shanny looking over him making sure he can't interfere with the run it back option play. It's totally happening. Round 8, here we go.

 

[weems]

Saying you want to change the way the team plays "won't be airlifting in alot of new players" and then keeping the same coach that was the one to coach this style for 3+ years, makes you wonder just how much Dubas was influencing the way Keefe was coaching and the overall playstyle. Maybe Treliving and Shanny believe Keefe can easily just change course quickly and coach a very different more physical playstyle because usually if you wanted to change the way your team played, you'd bring in a new coach and not the same one who coached a quite different style.

 

[BallardEra]

Saying you want to change the way the team plays "won't be airlifting in alot of new players" and then keeping the same coach that was the one to coach this style for 3+ years, makes you wonder just how much Dubas was influencing the way Keefe was coaching and the overall playstyle. Maybe Treliving and Shanny believe Keefe can easily just change course quickly and coach a very different more physical playstyle because usually if you wanted to change the way your team played, you'd bring in a new coach and not the same one who coached a quite different style.

I think this is very risky. Saw the Caps try and change Boudreau from an offensive coach to a defensive coach.

Keefe is who he is.

Playing a totally different play style requires a new coach who believes that style and isn’t coaxed into it just so they can keep their job.

Players will see right through that if it’s coming from the same coach who has been preaching a certain style for the last 3-4 years and is now doing a 180.

 

[weems]

I think this is very risky. Saw the Caps try and change Boudreau from an offensive coach to a defensive coach.

Keefe is who he is.

Playing a totally different play style requires a new coach who believes that style and isn’t coaxed into it just so they can keep their job.

I agree with you just trying to understand the logic behind the possibility.

 

[BallardEra]

I agree with you just trying to understand the logic behind the possibility.

The logic is it gives Treliving some time before he uses his “fire the coach” card.

 

[rumman]

I know its early but hoping our top guys dont tune him out like they did with Babcock.

Leafs need a culture change and thatnonly happens when you get rid of the problem players within the team

 

[Menzinger]

Saying you want to change the way the team plays "won't be airlifting in alot of new players" and then keeping the same coach that was the one to coach this style for 3+ years, makes you wonder just how much Dubas was influencing the way Keefe was coaching and the overall playstyle. Maybe Treliving and Shanny believe Keefe can easily just change course quickly and coach a very different more physical playstyle because usually if you wanted to change the way your team played, you'd bring in a new coach and not the same one who coached a quite different style.

Though to be fair, I don't think there's been anything from Shanny that indicates he's wanted to significantly change how the team plays

Treliving will probably be allowed to remake the D core, bring in a new group of support forwards and they'll see how things look then. If Keefe is willing to get on board with that, there's probably not much from Shanny or Treliving's POV to justify a change of coach

 

[nuck]

The logic is it gives Treliving some time before he uses his “fire the coach” card.

I am betting he plays that card first week in July at the latest. The GM has to have his own coach. This is just a smoke screen to delay changes that won't help them sign the extensions. SK is not his guy.

 

[horner]

Though to be fair, I don't think there's been anything from Shanny that indicates he's wanted to significantly change how the team plays

Treliving will probably be allowed to remake the D core, bring in a new group of support forwards and they'll see how things look then. If Keefe is willing to get on board with that, there's probably not much from Shanny or Treliving's POV to justify a change of coach

Except the fans will be like here we go again .
Same coach same system and the media will eat this up.
You need to male a coaching change to see if the core is the issue, you need to try something.
If no change Treliving will look like a puppet to Shanahan and MLSE.
Then why did we need an experienced GM.

I will lose all credibility with Treliving.

 

[Buds17]

I'm not really seeing how the "lame duck" scenario applies with Keefe? Dubas essentially bolted to Pittsburgh because he received a promotion from GM to President Of Hockey Operations/Interim GM. Is the worry that a rival team will name Keefe GM after the upcoming season has concluded?

 

[The Masters]

I'm not really seeing how the "lame duck" scenario applies with Keefe? Dubas essentially bolted to Pittsburgh because he received a promotion from GM to President Of Hockey Operations/Interim GM. Is the worry that a rival team will name Keefe GM after the upcoming season has concluded?

It moreso has to do with the players and how they respond to the coach since they interact every day. If he's a lame duck, there's a thought the players wont respond as much.

 

[Menzinger]

I'm not really seeing how the "lame duck" scenario applies with Keefe? Dubas essentially bolted to Pittsburgh because he received a promotion from GM to President Of Hockey Operations/Interim GM. Is the worry that a rival team will name Keefe GM after the upcoming season has concluded?

Anyone whose not under contract for the following season is considered to be a 'lame duck'.

It's considered to be particularly glaring for coaches when they're under that situation. Burke gave Wilson a final extension for example to avoid it happening to him and even cited wanting to avoid the 'lame duck' perception

 

[The Masters]

 

[Buds17]

It moreso has to do with the players and how they respond to the coach since they interact every day. If he's a lame duck, there's a thought the players wont respond as much.

While I can definitely understand the logic behind avoiding such a scenario, my worry is that trouble is likely to not be too far behind once the players adopt that type of mindset.

 

[Buds17]

Anyone whose not under contract for the following season is considered to be a 'lame duck'.

It's considered to be particularly glaring for coaches when they're under that situation. Burke gave Wilson a final extension for example to avoid it happening to him and even cited wanting to avoid the 'lame duck' perception

Although IIRC, the contract extension given to Wilson occurred at some point during the season. Ultimately, Burke still ended up firing Wilson not too long afterwards. I suppose the main difference though is that Treliving at least has the job security that Burke probably began to lose once the aforementioned event went down?

 

[The Masters]

 

[IPS]

From what they're making it sound like Keefe is apparantly some superb coach who was being surpressed by Dubas.

Not sure how much I buy it.

 

[Taylor Halls Teeth]

From what they're making it sound like Keefe is apparantly some superb coach who was being surpressed by Dubas.

Not sure how much I buy it.

Keep in mind Dubas was apparently a superb GM who was being suppressed by Shanahan. Who is being manipulated by Larry Tanenbaum LOL

 

[centipede2233]

Treliving has Lord Shanny looking over him making sure he can't interfere with the run it back option play. It's totally happening. Round 8, here we go.

It has become crystal clear shanahan needs to go….ridiculous…