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Jimmy Firecracker said:
Hiring an assistant coach to usurp Keefe is a stupid move and likely won’t even happen. The problems with Sheldon aren’t regular season related. The team is talented enough to have a great, but never elite regular season. If they repeat their last two seasons, which is extremely likely given we’re running it back with the core, there won’t be a low point to fire him.

The real problems are all playoff related, and waiting another season to confirm that is incredibly dumb. He’s always outcoached, has a terrible home playoff record, and is incapable of making adjustments.
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Agreed.

Keefe should be fired now. Extending him is beyond stupid.
 
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Antropovsky said:
Interesting enough, after 3 bad playoffs with Keefe coaching, Trotz basically says the leafs play too freely and not disciplined enough.



Nice work Dubas!
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He said:
5. Watch out for the Toronto Maple Leafs. Trotz watches a ton of hockey, and one of the teams that stands out is everyone’s favorite lightning rod. Trotz says they’re trending upward.
No one gives Toronto any credit for how good defensively they’ve been. I think we’re starting to recognize it, but I saw it last year.
The thing I saw with them last year is the commitment level in the playoffs. Their stars were blocking shots. They got their noses dirty a little more often. They made the simple play when they had to. They didn’t try to force things.
He went on to say:

I saw that last year with the Leafs. I like Mitch Marner’s game. He’s first on the forecheck, first on the backcheck. When your stars are doing it, you’re gonna have to have a chance to have success. There’s a lot of good hockey players in this league right now. The skill is stupid.

I’m signing off on them learning to win. I’m not signing off on the Leafs because there’s a team like Boston there, and Tampa. But I’m saying great competition — great teams like Tampa and Boston — Toronto’s learning from that. I know if you’re a Toronto fan, it’s been death by 1,000 cuts over the years, but you’ll break through. They’ll break through. It’ll happen. I don’t know if it’ll happen this year, but it’ll happen. It just will.
 
nuck said:
Makes sense I guess, but like the Dubas extension, if he was one of the problems, you are married to him for a bunch more years of failure. Todd McLellan was a great regular season coach in SJ and with more success post season than Keefe but still got moved because its easier to change 1 guy than sift through the 20 looking for a magic mix.

I have not seen any sustained masterful coaching from SK but is it his ability or the fit? It would be interesting to have his thoughts on the lineup he was given vs the lineup he would most prefer.

I think that Sutter was the right coach for the Kings lineup in 12 and 13 but not the Flames in 22-23. It looks like Paul Maurice is the right coach for this Panthers group also. I don't think Keefe is the ideal fit for this Leaf lineup and it bothers me that the core will be opened up when we may never have seen them play for the right coach. Maybe the whole core isn't bad, but we don't know so changes will be made based on salaries and trade value rather than who can make them a winner vs be a passenger on a winner.
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The Raps fired the coach of the year because they didn't think he could take them beyond the regular season.
The Leafs are possibly looking to extend someone who can't get them far in the playoffs and has been out-coached in every series
 
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HamiltonNHL said:
Keefe hasn’t earned a re-hire.

New GM means Keefe is gone.

I can’t see any possibility of Tre offering him a new deal.
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Unless they are waiting on Q, why the delay in firing him?? Who else is out there better than Keefe who they would hire?? Guessing Gallant, Gabby and Laviolette are non-starters.
 
Looks to me like Keefer staying on .. looks to me like all talk is we are revamping our D in a big way .. sounds like we are tinkering again but this year CAP $$$ going to our D .. so likely we will score less in regular season and play a more defensive game which should work better in playoffs .. that's da playbook folks
 
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JT AM da real deal said:
Looks to me like Keefer staying on .. looks to me like all talk is we are revamping our D in a big way .. sounds like we are tinkering again but this year CAP $$$ going to our D .. so likely we will score less in regular season and play a more defensive game which should work better in playoffs .. that's da playbook folks
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They've tried shuffling the deck chairs up front. Let's now try shuffling the decks chair in back. Wonder why they try next year when it does not work ?
 
Most of us want Keefe gone because we've observed him up close for years.

I don't begrudge Treliving for wanting to make his own assessment of Keefe internally. I could see why GMs around the league would hold Keefe in high regard from afar based on his regular season record.
 
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Clark4Ever said:
Most of us want Keefe gone because we've observed him up close for years.

I don't begrudge Treliving for wanting to make his own assessment of Keefe internally. I could see why GMs around the league would hold Keefe in high regard grom afar based on his regular season record.
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Who knows - maybe Dubas neutered Keefe. Told him who to play, and stay out of the box. But that would raise questions about his character
 
Keefe on merit should be long gone as he gets outcoached badly each year by teams 18-20 points below him in the standings who are vast underdogs.

They will likely keep him this year for a smoother transition for our new GM as the players are familiar with Sheldon's systems and what to expect from him and how to manipulate him.

If Keefe criticizes them they simply go public and let everyone know the coach was out of line, and then coach bows down appologises and things go back to the inmates running the asylum.
 
weems said:
If Keefe is so terrible, what does this say about Kyle Dubas ability to recognize what makes a good hockey coach?

Isn't this the only guy he's ever really hired to coach his teams from SSM, to the Marlies, to the Toronto Maple Leafs?
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Keefe is a fine coach who will likely get hired somewhere else. He just might not be a good enough coach in the playoffs and he isn't the only one. I don't think this should be a criticism of Dubas. It's not like Keefe was a mess or anything.
 
stickty111 said:
Keefe is a fine coach who will likely get hired somewhere else. He just might not be a good enough coach in the playoffs and he isn't the only one. I don't think this should be a criticism of Dubas. It's not like Keefe was a mess or anything.
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We'll I've seen alot of pro Dubas people criticize Keefe all year and place much of the teams failure on him.

What do you mean "not good enough in the playoffs"? What is it that makes him not good enough for the playoffs and that he's been routinely outcoached by the opposing coach and that he's incapable of making adjustments?
 
ToneDog said:
They've tried shuffling the deck chairs up front. Let's now try shuffling the decks chair in back. Wonder why they try next year when it does not work ?
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Yep .. there always has to be a new stick every year on how things will be better .. well at least we all know now it was Shanny all along with da core 4 .. i can hear da media talk now on how this new approach to D will make everything all good .. with a new spokesman endorsing strong bigger D
 
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weems said:
If Keefe is so terrible, what does this say about Kyle Dubas ability to recognize what makes a good hockey coach?

Isn't this the only guy he's ever really hired to coach his teams from SSM, to the Marlies, to the Toronto Maple Leafs?
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I think Dubas gave Keefe a mulligan for his first two series against Columbus and Montreal due to the pandemic, and the first Tampa series was the best series this team had played despite losing.

Arguably, Keefe should’ve been canned after beefing the Montreal series, and he definitely should be now. I wanted Dubas gone if he wasn’t going to fire Keefe and was hoping both would go if that were the case. So far only one of them has left and the guy who most needs to go sounds like he’s coming back for another round of checkers while his coaching rivals play chess.
 
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weems said:
We'll I've seen alot of pro Dubas people criticize Keefe all year and place much of the teams failure on him.

What do you mean "not good enough in the playoffs"? What is it that makes him not good enough for the playoffs and that he's been routinely outcoached by the opposing coach and that he's incapable of making adjustments?
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say in the last paragraph. I said Keefe hasn't been good enough in the playoffs. We seem to agree.
 
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HamiltonNHL said:
Initially.

Keefe will be gone when the new GM finds his man.

Dubas probably would have hired Hayley W of the chance came up.
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Da whole thing to me what I heard last night was a shuffling of deck chairs where focus was gonna shift CAP to building a bigger badder D .. these guys are experts at 1 thing .. how to bamboozle media/fans on their newest idears .. last year it was rebuilding da 3rd and 4th lines .. year before it was moving more to a possession coaching style game .. these guys just shift da goal posts around with SAME inadequate CORE 4 .. but of course now we don't want to call it da CORE 4 anymore either .. to me i am getting sick of da BS .. but folks are gonna buy into it and new toy Tree will preach it .. yadda yadda yadda as Seifeld would say
 
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Jimmy Firecracker said:
I think Dubas gave Keefe a mulligan for his first two series against Columbus and Montreal due to the pandemic, and the first Tampa series was the best series this team had played despite losing.

Arguably, Keefe should’ve been canned after beefing the Montreal series, and he definitely should be now. I wanted Dubas gone if he wasn’t going to fire Keefe and was hoping both would go if that were the case. So far only one of them has left and the guy who most needs to go sounds like he’s coming back for another round of checkers while his coaching rivals play chess.
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I really don't like how they have handled both situations. The guy who probably deserved an extension they let him play out the year, and the guy who doesn't deserve one there is talk they don't want him playing out the last year, and are willing to sign him to an extension because of that.

Unpopular opinion, I don't mind Keefe returning because what are the other options. Q is probably unrealistic because of the PR, so who else is appealing.
 
I dont hate Keefer......He got his stars to play defence and that is no easy task. He also has produced great regular season records.

Sure there are dumb things he continued to do....has his pet cats in Kerfoot and Holl....but they are gone now. He should of rested Gio and others more near the end of the season.

But I like his style of hockey.

I sure dont want Trotz and anyone else that plays the trap system. Its like watching paint dry.
Boring hockey.

If they do go and release Keefer ....I hope its a young coach ....not one of these guys from the "old boys club" that get recycled every few years and pop up on other teams. But our new GM likes experience behind the bench.
 
Trotz is no longer available but this is a myth. Trotz coached with the talent he had. With the Caps his teams were at the top of the league when it came to scoring goals.

He was smart enough to know that the Isles weren't the Caps and coached with the talent he was given.
 
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