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I've had coaches that were yellers before. It sucks. There is no coaching going on, only screaming. People like that make it hard to come to the rink when you know all they are going to do is yell at you and the team. Players loose effort in a hurry. I feel bad for the locker room because Keefe is a twit. This is a good team and Keefe has broken it.
 
Zero1 said:
I don’t feel bad for Keefe. Keefe and the organization babied Marner. He can’t be surprised now that Marner doesn’t respect him.

The only player I feel bad for is Nylander. The organization has not treated him the same way they treat Matthews and Marner.
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Nylander will be fine. Soon to be UFA and someone can offer him a nice deal not under 30 million for 3 guys. Plus give him a more prominent/leadership role if they like.
 
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Marmoset said:
I'd like to expand on this a bit.

We're hearing Barry Trotz' name thrown out a lot, and a lot of mentions of bringing in an established coach. But, if Kyle Dubas is also on the hot seat, is upper management going to greenlight bringing on a big name coach (presumably with a contract to match) if the GM may not last much longer? Conversely, would someone like Trotz take the job if there is perceived uncertainty in the front office?

The more I think about it, the more having an interim coach for the remainder of the season makes sense if Keefe is let go. To hire a coach for the long term I think you either are committing to Dubas or removing him and letting the new GM make the hire.
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Dubas ain't gonna hire trotz

If we go outside it'll be brunette if we can get him.

We'll just go all in on fire wagon hockey because that's fun instead if actually working hard
 
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People wonder why experience matters in this role. Because this is a management role. Credibility comes from experience

You can blame Marner all you want but Marner will eventually turn it around. He's too good of a player
We have seen better version of Mitchell

Keefe on the other than realizing this is not AHL. In this role you are personal managing than you are tactical. Everyone knows what to do in a game. They have been playing the game all their lives

Welcome to the big league Keefe. This is where you need some personality type of coach to manage personalities. People wonder why Torts keeps getting jobs in this league. He's so old school, he's over the top

Torts managed a US team with Patty Kane, Wheeler. Coaches like him and those who are used to managing big persona's are needed for this types of teams

Can you imagine Keefe telling Matthews you should try this play Auston, this worked so well for me back in AHL.

Keefe may be a good coach but not the right coach for this city and team.
 
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I thought Keefe coached an incredible game.
-Kept his lineup a secret until warmups and had all 23 skaters participate to keep Anaheim guessing
-Demoted and shifted his best skater all year to 3rd line center to spread out the offense
-Stopped rolling the lines even though the Leafs were up 3-1 on a back to back situation to get his tired players out there more often
-Benched Marner for one shift despite his terrible play and his throwing a fit
-Called a timeout while they were winning to instill a sense of urgency into the team against the worst team in the league
-Talked about how well intentioned Marner's turnovers were to keep his spirits high

I really don't like what he's doing with the team. He keeps placing Marner on a pedestal, and throws everyone else under the bus
 
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I don't know how to grade coaching but I've always found a few issue with our team. One, it's really rare that we're all systems go at the start of games. Takes us time to get our game going. Could that be a reflection of how we are prepared or preparing? Another is that he don't seem to make very crisp passes. Teams like Boston, Vegas and Colorado, along with even Edmonton and Montreal feel like they just know where everyone on the ice is. For us, we are pretty much reliant on our top 4 players to do that. Not sure again if it's coaching or the overall roster just not the best.

Regarding Keefe, I wasn't overly impressed with the personality in the HBO series. That one incident when he outlined his concern to Keefe, the way he did it, seemed a little immature to me.
 
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Larcos_Unal said:
Sheldon Keefe walking back his critique of the elite players will not just cost him the respect of the fanbase, players and other coaches....it'll cost him future coaching opportunities.

He's a dead man walking. That backpedal was a fatal blow, he's just doing the slow bleed right now.
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Thats right. He should have been willing to get fired about it. The players would have respected that he had the balls to stand his ground. Its a unique dynamic in the NHL, the coach is suppose to be the boss but his star players make 10 million more than him per year. The highest earner in any business is the boss, it seems the players are taking this into the NHL now more than ever. I can only imagine some of the comments they could make to Keefe about money and power. Marner, Matthews can get the coach fired at any time.
 
Larcos_Unal said:
Sheldon Keefe walking back his critique of the elite players will not just cost him the respect of the fanbase, players and other coaches....it'll cost him future coaching opportunities.

He's a dead man walking. That backpedal was a fatal blow, he's just doing the slow bleed right now.
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Essentially this. He knows his time is up. Right now it's essentially auditioning for other coaching roles. Hence go out in style

Every coach has a shelf life. You can't underperform like Keefe has and still have a job

He too me lost all his credibility the day his team lost to Zamboni driver. Added on top of the Montreal series

You only get so many kicks at the can. Dallas Eakins also came into the league with fanfare. Dallas also tried to managed high profile young stars in Hopkins, Eberle and Hall.

Remember that Fiasco?

mapleleaf979 said:
Thats right. He should have been willing to get fired about it. The players would have respected that he had the balls to stand his ground. Its a unique dynamic in the NHL, the coach is suppose to be the boss but his star players make 10 million more than him per year. The highest earner in any business is the boss, it seems the players are taking this into the NHL now more than ever. I can only imagine some of the comments they could make to Keefe about money and power. Marner, Matthews can get the coach fired at any time.
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There has to be a culture around that. That everyone including senior leadership feels that way
Boston has that. Everyone seems to be in the same page
Vegas seems to have that

Keefe acting tough wont' mean anything if Dubas wasn't tough on Keefe. It was to flow end to end
 
If Keefe gets fired because Marner broke a stick it'll just prove his point that managing the media and their dumb narratives is an obstacle to this teams success.

The tail wags the dog in Toronto.
 
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fahad203 said:
People wonder why experience matters in this role. Because this is a management role. Credibility comes from experience

You can blame Marner all you want but Marner will eventually turn it around. He's too good of a player
We have seen better version of Mitchell

Keefe on the other than realizing this is not AHL. In this role you are personal managing than you are tactical. Everyone knows what to do in a game. They have been playing the game all their lives

Welcome to the big league Keefe. This is where you need some personality type of coach to manage personalities. People wonder why Torts keeps getting jobs in this league. He's so old school, he's over the top

Torts managed a US team with Patty Kane, Wheeler. Coaches like him and those who are used to managing big persona's are needed for this types of teams

Can you imagine Keefe telling Matthews you should try this play Auston, this worked so well for me back in AHL.

Keefe may be a good coach but not the right coach for this city and team.
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Well put, after watching that Amazon series with the Leafs, it looks like Dubas is running this team like it's a focus group. It's so cringe to see Hayley Wickenheiser give Auston Matthews tips on how to succeed in the NHL with are her experience playing in 'big' games.

This team has too much talent to break the mold and be run like a millennial experiment on fair and equitable management.
 
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ralphamale14 said:
Well put, after watching that Amazon series with the Leafs, it looks like Dubas is running this team like it's a focus group. It's so cringe to see Hayley Wickenheiser give Auston Matthews tips on how to succeed in the NHL with are her experience playing in 'big' games.

This team has too much talent to break the mold and be run like a millennial experiment on fair and equitable management.
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Haley Wickenheiser is one of the most accomplished women in hockey. Do you cringe when Keefe gives tips to Matthews because he was a much worse player than Matthews? I guess you're not a fan of Keefe so maybe you would, but you don't need to play in the NHL to be a good-great coach.

Matthews is one of the best players in the NHL, should he only take tips from McDavid or is it possible that a person doesn't need to be the best in the world in hockey to have useful knowledge of the game?

Edit: read the comment you were referring to... I guess you do think it's cringe that Keefe gives Matthews advice. There are lots of coaches across all levels with less experience than their players. Barry Trotz is considered one of the top coaches in the world and his hockey career was significantly worse than Keefes.

I'll give you another one, Jon Cooper never played above high-school hockey.
 
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fahad203 said:
Essentially this. He knows his time is up. Right now it's essentially auditioning for other coaching roles. Hence go out in style

Every coach has a shelf life. You can't underperform like Keefe has and still have a job

He too me lost all his credibility the day his team lost to Zamboni driver. Added on top of the Montreal series

You only get so many kicks at the can. Dallas Eakins also came into the league with fanfare. Dallas also tried to managed high profile young stars in Hopkins, Eberle and Hall.

Remember that Fiasco?



There has to be a culture around that. That everyone including senior leadership feels that way
Boston has that. Everyone seems to be in the same page
Vegas seems to have that

Keefe acting tough wont' mean anything if Dubas wasn't tough on Keefe. It was to flow end to end
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Agree

fahad203 said:
Of course he's going to say it. Torts made Keefe his little b**** and beat Keefe with a very average team
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Every one beats Keefe in playoffs! Nothing wrong here?
 
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I think Keefe is average but this team isn't good enough.

Lindy Ruff what a coach. Devils accumulated a lot of talent and he's put it all together pretty quick.
 
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