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It’s only 8 games, but I’ve yet to be impressed enough to think this guy is worth $14M for the next 8 years.
Rumor: Hurricanes could look to flip Rantanen if he doesn’t extend by the deadline
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milehigh11
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He isn't. Those guys drive lines. Rants doesn't do that. He was coasting in colorado for the past year with Mackinnon and makar feeding points to him.
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Hurricanes are 1-7 with Rantanen in the lineup since the trade.
1 goal, 2 assists for 3 points in those 8 games.
He’s been dropped from Aho’s line to now have Jack Roslovic as his center.
This is an awful fit for Mikko.
1 goal, 2 assists for 3 points in those 8 games.
He’s been dropped from Aho’s line to now have Jack Roslovic as his center.
This is an awful fit for Mikko.
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the hurricanes are 2-5-1 since rantanen joined the lineup, actually.
meanwhile, nathan has 12 points in 10 games without mikko. ho him
Legend123
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He looks awful. Signing him to 7 or 8 years could look awful real quick like meier and lindholm. Don't do it anyone. Don't pay him like there's no tomorrow
torniojaws
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Necas ain't "cheap" either, at $6.5 million vs. Rantanen's $9.25 million - just a 2.75 difference. And at this rate, Necas will also ask for at least 10+ (probably 12~) with an increased cap.
It's MacKinnon who should be getting extra, as he seems to create 100 point wingers as a hobby.
I think he learned that from some guy he knows named Sid.
I have a feeling that Ranto ends up crawling back to Colorado in the off-season but it would not surprise to see him get dealt from Carolina because they could still get a haul for him based on reputation from some team that might be desperate to take a chance.
Neither Colorado nor Carolina won this trade, Necas did though because that dude's going to get paid with his next contract after he plays another season in the Makar-MacKinnon nexus.
Florida just seems like a natural, perfect fit for Rantanen. Bennett + 1st is comparable to the Necas package right?
How’s this for crazy?
To Canes
EP40
Suter (probably re-sign, great middle six utility guy… or just a rental)
To Panthers
Rantanen
To Canucks
1st Carolina
1st Panthers
KK
Bennett (comes with extension… probably Lindholm esque)
Carolina ends up paying Necas + Drury + KK + 1st for EP40 and Suter. Not too bad coming out of a bad situation with Rantanen. Carolina has an amazing cap sheet so they can easily bear that 11.6M risk. Petey would probably excel playing in a less microscopic market and behind Aho. Canes finally land their 2C.
Lundell is more than ready to take the next step and they probably don’t want to pay Bennett his next deal. Not many chances to get a game breaker like Rantanen. Surrounded by great players he would do well. Package isn’t too far off from. Probably isn’t enough from the Panthers end if I had to guess.
Canucks and EP40 finally get to go their separate ways and put the drama behind them. No elite talent coming back but very much quantity instead of quality. Bennett and KK provide much needed center depth with Chytil in the mix. Canucks would use their first rounders to get more top six forwards in the offseason.
How’s this for crazy?
To Canes
EP40
Suter (probably re-sign, great middle six utility guy… or just a rental)
To Panthers
Rantanen
To Canucks
1st Carolina
1st Panthers
KK
Bennett (comes with extension… probably Lindholm esque)
Carolina ends up paying Necas + Drury + KK + 1st for EP40 and Suter. Not too bad coming out of a bad situation with Rantanen. Carolina has an amazing cap sheet so they can easily bear that 11.6M risk. Petey would probably excel playing in a less microscopic market and behind Aho. Canes finally land their 2C.
Lundell is more than ready to take the next step and they probably don’t want to pay Bennett his next deal. Not many chances to get a game breaker like Rantanen. Surrounded by great players he would do well. Package isn’t too far off from. Probably isn’t enough from the Panthers end if I had to guess.
Canucks and EP40 finally get to go their separate ways and put the drama behind them. No elite talent coming back but very much quantity instead of quality. Bennett and KK provide much needed center depth with Chytil in the mix. Canucks would use their first rounders to get more top six forwards in the offseason.
Peasy
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If they throw a bunch of money at him that is turning similarly into the Meier deal for NJ.
Rant is clearly not clicking in his new environment and it really looks like he was relying on mackinnon for a lot.
Rant is clearly not clicking in his new environment and it really looks like he was relying on mackinnon for a lot.
Cut out the Canucks and this gets easier and a lot more interesting for Carolina, I feel.
Suter is exactly what we don't need more of...bottom-6 Cs. KK isn't the bad deal everyone thought he is...he's just over-slotted. Aho, Bennett, Staal, Kotkaniemi...I like that C depth. We keep out 1st. We don't take the risk on Pettersson not living up to that contract.
Rather make a deal with Florida directly for Bennett.
Edit: My 1st choice remains extending Rantanen, but if we've decided to make a trade...
Bouboumaster
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Trading Necas for Rant and than loosing him for nothing would make it one of the worst Trade in the past few years
I was loosing my shit when Bergevin let go Danault for nothing, I'd riot if it had been a player like Rantanen
I was loosing my shit when Bergevin let go Danault for nothing, I'd riot if it had been a player like Rantanen
BHawk21
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it was an honest question. Carolina can try to go for it this year and use him as a rental just like last year with Guentzel.
Not sure Mercer is a bag of nickels or what you would expect back in a trade for a rental.
Penguins were in the same spot with Guentzel and ended up with Bunting Koivunen and a 1st.
spockBokk
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At this point, I’d be pretty surprised if they don’t trade him. It’s gone about as bad as it could have since acquiring him. He obviously is still in shock and/or downright mopey about being traded away from the Avs. He’d have to be crazy to sign with the Canes now prior to 3/7.
The Canes’ front office seems to have swung and missed horribly. They may have felt like they had a shot on extending him, but man, I bet they wish they had a do-over button.
IF the Canes make him available; which I think and certainly hope they will, I still think they reap a bounty of futures, but they won’t recoup Necas-level value regardless. At this point of the season’s probably best to save any assets they may potentially get for Rantanen for draft night and start the roster rehab from there with their oodles of cap space.
The Canes’ front office seems to have swung and missed horribly. They may have felt like they had a shot on extending him, but man, I bet they wish they had a do-over button.
IF the Canes make him available; which I think and certainly hope they will, I still think they reap a bounty of futures, but they won’t recoup Necas-level value regardless. At this point of the season’s probably best to save any assets they may potentially get for Rantanen for draft night and start the roster rehab from there with their oodles of cap space.
GIN ANTONIC
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Mercer isn't bad by any means but to send him to a direct rival in the Devils it would require an overpay from them in order to do that.
Their top 9 would then be Hughes, Hischier, Bratt, Meier, Rantanen, Palat, Tatar, Noesen, Haula... uhhhh that's a big time no from me dawg.
We're also not in the same position as Pittsburgh was in last year. I'm not opposed to trading him but get him the hell out of the east and definitely not in division.
If Canes retain another 50% on Rantanen then the team acquiring him would be getting him at 25% of the full amount. Have to imagine there are a ton of teams who would be giving good offers for that.
spockBokk
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If NJ offered Mercer + a 1st, and that’s the best offer they get, I’d take that and run. (Then also try flip those assets for Pettersson)
GIN ANTONIC
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Sure... IF it's the best offer but I'm not sure that would be the case. Of course we don't know but I doubt this will be a closed bidding process if it does come to be.
We dodged the Pettersson trap. Stop trying to run back into it.
No interest in paying him $11.3M for the next 7 years to get outperformed by Aho. As bad as the Rantanen trade has gone...I like to think it was us coming to our senses on EP.
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I’m failing to see how this deal wasn’t beneficial to Colorado.
If the Canes can't re-sign this guy, they need to quit making these types of trades. Last year it was Jake that they lost in the summer for nothing.
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OtherThingsILike
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I think part of the problem is that both players - Rantanen in particular - seem to have been surprised by their trades. If they acquire a player who is looking forward to being traded, I think it would have a much different outcome for them.
They could also try acquiring a star with a bit of term, even if it's just 1.5 years vs. .5 years.
For right now he’s cheap
13 million over the next two years as opposed to the 22 million you would
Be spending on rantanen in the same time frame
GIN ANTONIC
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How could this possibly work with Avs little to no cap space and the fact that Necas needs a big contract in a year, Blackwood extension kicks in as well, and Makar is gonna get like $15m in two years time?
Im late to the party just a couple of quick questions.
1. Which teams can fit Rantanen into their cap at this point into the season? I assume non contenders who might be interested in Rantanen would just wait to see if he hits UFA. This would take away all risks of having to pay a ransom for him and or Rantanen not re-signing as well.
2. What are the Hurricans looking for in a return.
1. Which teams can fit Rantanen into their cap at this point into the season? I assume non contenders who might be interested in Rantanen would just wait to see if he hits UFA. This would take away all risks of having to pay a ransom for him and or Rantanen not re-signing as well.
2. What are the Hurricans looking for in a return.
