Post-Game Talk: Sharks 3 - Jets 2 in OT

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Tom ServoMST3K

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What's your excuse?
It’s just a coincidence we lose the most important coin flips every single game ?
Then find an Individual with that skill to deploy in those situations.

Faceoffs as a team stat are pointless.

I'd also want clean win percentage tracked over mucked up - I'm sure there is a useful faceoff-based stat out there, but worrying about a team percentage is pointless.
 
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Not sure why you blame Scheifele for being stationary anymore than Connor, who is even more stationary? The PPs QB is Morrissey and they have a shooter on each wall. Not a very effective design.

Because Conner actually shoots whereas Mark doesn't. Go look at the PP heat map on hockey viz. It all comes from Conner. If the goal is for two shooters it isn't playing our like that in reality.
 
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I agree with most of what WPG Chief says, except I think Pionk had a strong game. Even when the Jets were under pressure with Reimer out, it was his play on the in tight cross crease pass that gave Wheeler the puck and time to do something with it besides ice it. That's two straight games for positive metrics for Morrissey and Pionk, and I haven't minded the way Dillon and De Melo play as a pairing. Not a lot of offense but Dillon seems a lot more confident stepping up with De Melo behind him, and it was posted on here earlier in the year, De Melo is a good first passer.

The PP had some chances. I think Niedrreiter had most of them but he's been good in that spot. It's more the way the top of the the PP failed to generate any significant chances. The way they are failing to break seams too. Some credit goes to the team they played against, for being prepared for those passes, and tenacious. Ehlers PP metrics are still rather low for output, lower than anyone in the starting unit, and even lower than Wheeler. I wonder if and when Brad Lauer is coming back.
 
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Because Conner actually shoots whereas Mark doesn't:
Mark has shot enough to be the top PP goal scorer leader. Both Scheifele and Connor are set up as shooters not QBs. That is how it is set up. Many times, Scheifele has the fewest touches on a PP. Everything is going through Morrissey. Scheifele goes back to Morrissey, Connor goes back to Morrissey. Morrissey gets double the touches of any other Jet. Blame the design.
 
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Mark has shot enough to be the top PP goal scorer leader. Both Scheifele and Connor are set up as shooters not QBs. That is how it is set up. Many times, Scheifele has the fewest touches on a PP. Everything is going through Morrissey. Scheifele goes back to Morrissey, Connor goes back to Morrissey. Morrissey gets double the touches of any other Jet. Blame the design.

His shots all come from the bumper position not out wide. One of the reasons I don't like him there is because it it takes away from where he shoots best from. He has very little shots from out wide and as such he's wasted there. Also there needs to be three passing options to Conner and we only use one. So yeah some is design but some is a player not finding the passing lanes to open up the cross seam pass.
 

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His shots all come from the bumper position not out wide. One of the reasons I don't like him there is because it it takes away from where he shoots best from. He has very little shots from out wide and as such he's wasted there. Also there needs to be three passing options to Conner and we only use one. So yeah some is design but some is a player not finding the passing lanes to open up the cross seam pass.
I wouldn't call what they ask Scheifele to do is bumper. His shooting position is lower and wider than Connor's, but that is what he is asked to do. I just checked the PP heat maps and there is a secondary heat area where Scheifele shots from. Actually is just more effecient with his shots. The primary heat area is Connor, but it is also any other player opposite to Morrisey who slides into that position as he QBs from the left point.

 

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Not much positive for that game. People saying we outplayed them...who cares? It's the Sharks, we should outplay them and we still only managed to score 2 goals! Looking at the next 5 or 6 games, I think there is a better than 50% chance the Jets only get 3 or 4 points (team is only fake .500 on the road after all) with Calgary and/or Nashville closing the gap to 1 or 2 points by then.
 
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His shots all come from the bumper position not out wide. One of the reasons I don't like him there is because it it takes away from where he shoots best from. He has very little shots from out wide and as such he's wasted there. Also there needs to be three passing options to Conner and we only use one. So yeah some is design but some is a player not finding the passing lanes to open up the cross seam pass.
The thing I notice is the Jets don't attack as much from behind the net with the setup they have on PP1, you almost never see the puck go through Dubois behind the goal line, Scheifele sometimes, but that's one the intricacies in hockey and even how the Jets scored their goal tonight at the very end of the pp, attacking from below the goal line, where the goalie can't follow the puck.
 

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The thing I notice is the Jets don't attack as much from behind the net with the setup they have on PP1, you almost never see the puck go through Dubois behind the goal line, Scheifele sometimes, but that's one the intricacies in hockey and even how the Jets scored their goal tonight at the very end of the pp, attacking from below the goal line, where the goalie can't follow the puck.
Our PP has really become very dependent on Morrissey. There are some PPs he gets every 2nd touch. Agreed, having more down low options might open up more seems. But I can see the attraction of going through Morrissey as he has been so dominant, and I think it allows for good possession, but less actual scoring opportunities. Saying that assist wise Morrissey laps the field with 24 PP apples, so maybe only tweaks are needed to create more grade A chances.
 

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Status Quo between the Jets and Preds, Flames gain a point and play the Wild tomorrow and then the Wild come here, Preds next game against the Coyotes.
 

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As much as I’m trying to be optimistic I just can’t see this team making the playoffs. We finally have a chance to get on a little bit of a turnaround here and we lose to a tire fire team and it only gets more difficult from here. I honestly would not be surprised if Calgary and preds passed us. preds could give away more players in the still keep generating points well we are completely healthy and we can’t even beat a bottom feeder.
 
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As much as I’m trying to be optimistic I just can’t see this team making the playoffs. We finally have a chance to get on a little bit of a turnaround here and we lose to a tire fire team and it only gets more difficult from here. I honestly would not be surprised if Calgary and preds passed us. preds could give away more players in the still keep generating points well we are completely healthy and we can’t even beat a bottom feeder.
The Preds just lost to the Canucks in a SO.
 
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As much as I’m trying to be optimistic I just can’t see this team making the playoffs. We finally have a chance to get on a little bit of a turnaround here and we lose to a tire fire team and it only gets more difficult from here. I honestly would not be surprised if Calgary and preds passed us. preds could give away more players in the still keep generating points well we are completely healthy and we can’t even beat a bottom feeder.

Those teams have their own problems too. The Jets are making it hard on themselves but they still have the advantage.
 

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Our PP has really become very dependent on Morrissey. There are some PPs he gets every 2nd touch. Agreed, having more down low options might open up more seems. But I can see the attraction of going through Morrissey as he has been so dominant, and I think it allows for good possession, but less actual scoring opportunities. Saying that assist wise Morrissey laps the field with 24 PP apples, so maybe only tweaks are needed to create more grade A chances.
Niedrreiter had one that he was celebrating on a feed from Scheifele. I don't know how Reimer stopped it. Niedrreiter has become a more pivotal player than Dubois in recent PPs. I think the Jets have 3 big forwards now who can shoot from down low, once they start attacking from those angles I think it opens up more. Josh has improved his shot from the point, which teams have to respect.
 

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Niedrreiter had one that he was celebrating on a feed from Scheifele. I don't know how Reimer stopped it. Niedrreiter has become a more pivotal player than Dubois in recent PPs. I think the Jets have 3 big forwards now who can shoot from down low, once they start attacking from those angles I think it opens up more. Josh has improved his shot from the point, which teams have to respect.
You would think with us getting Nieterreiter, we should be very hard to play agianst, especially with Dubois in the lineup. I would say, from what I've seen so far, he's just as good as Dubois, and can easily replace him when he leaves, or is traded. For now, with both these guys in the lineup, we should be very hard to play against, as these are 2 big guys.
 
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Reimer played good, our PP absolutely sucks and has to change, everyone is too stationary. Dubois has to be better, alot better, you are a big dude, take the puck to the net once in a while. Wheeler has been a Jet for a long time and has done alot of good things but he's just been awful at everything lately. Can't shoot, can't pass, he has no business on a PP. Bowness having both Dubois and Wheeler out late in the game was a huge brain fart .
 

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On a purely emotional level as a fan, a comparison of two tough games:

The recent loss to the CBJ was difficult to take, but for some reason this Sharks loss hurts more. Yes, despite the loser point.

These games are points that the team needs. I like Hertl's play, he is always dangerous. This year he is a Jet killer - as is Laine. These games leave a mark.

Reimer played good, our PP absolutely sucks and has to change, everyone is too stationary. Dubois has to be better, alot better, you are a big dude, take the puck to the net once in a while. Wheeler has been a Jet for a long time and has done alot of good things but he's just been awful at everything lately. Can't shoot, can't pass, he has no business on a PP. Bowness having both Dubois and Wheeler out late in the game was a huge brain fart .
Dubois is playing with pain, looks to me. He can't body players aside with his usual muscular aplomb and is very often caught leaning backward and off-balance, ergo can't bulldoze his way to the net.
 
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Good game. Jets played great.
Wheeler icing the puck instead of gaining neutral zone was the difference.

I hated that play and I thought Blake needed to be better. I wouldn’t have him out there 5v6 anymore. That being said it was still a funky shitty bounce off our player right onto the stick of a wide open player that gave them a luck sack goal.

Oh well.
 
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everyone now see why the Stars upgraded their coaching!?

Stars coaching sucks this season according to some important fans. I was out at a game last week and they were non stop complaning about Pete’s brain dead choices on their PP1 but mostly how he constantly trots out the wrong vet players 3v3 and how Benn has been on the ice for 8 goals against in OT this season because he seems gassed….but hell no Pete just keep rolling the exact same group out and lets set a record for how many times we can lose in OT this season…………..


Just to finish it off that is the division leader and it was guys that were important fans………If you are looking for a “fans are happy with the coaching space” I really think it doesn’t exist on HFBoards.
 
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