Quinn Hughes vs Cale Makar: 2023 Edition

[Kennedys]

This thread is a year old and people commenting like it was posted yesterday lol

 

[Coffee]

This thread is a year old and people commenting like it was posted yesterday lol

Same thing happened with Ovi and Crosby during the first decade and less but still during the second decade.

It’s just how these things go

 

[lionsDen]

This thread is a year old and people commenting like it was posted yesterday lol

Welcome to Cale makar vs Hughes where every year the canucks fan base move the goal posts on why Hughes is a better damn…. POG vs games played,Total points, higher can’t play defense, makar can’t play defense and it never ends… one thing people don’t adjust for just how ungodly bad the goaltending is and why that affects Cale makar.

 

[Coffee]

Welcome to Cale makar vs Hughes where every year the canucks fan base move the goal posts on why Hughes is a better damn…. POG vs games played,Total points, higher can’t play defense, makar can’t play defense and it never ends… one thing people don’t adjust for just how ungodly bad the goaltending is and why that affects Cale makar.

Wow.

All I can say is I hope no one reads the last couple of pages on this thread for your sake

You’re making things up, simple as that.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

hughes has been compared to makar for each of the last 6 seasons. one season hughes had a better year and now canuck fans want to act like hughes and makar are now equals. nope, come back with another major award or two to even have that conversation.

What is the discussion though? If we're talking about better player, Hughes has taken over since last year every so slightly. Looking at their careers, it's definitely Makar.

 

[Rowlet]

Welcome to Cale makar vs Hughes where every year the canucks fan base move the goal posts on why Hughes is a better damn…. POG vs games played,Total points, higher can’t play defense, makar can’t play defense and it never ends… one thing people don’t adjust for just how ungodly bad the goaltending is and why that affects Cale makar.

Welcome to Cale Makar vs Quinn Hughes, where every year the Avalanche fan base still act like it's 2022, this thread is about 2023-now.

Arguments change over time because their careers aren't over yet. That's not the goalposts moving, it's player stats changing in real time. Also, goaltending doesn't affect possession stats, nobody is out here bringing up +/-.

 

[lionsDen]

Wow.

All I can say is I hope no one reads the last couple of pages on this thread for your sake

You’re making things up, simple as that.

I’m fine with it, exactly what am I making up? At least the post above acknowledged that the arguments have changed.

Welcome to Cale Makar vs Quinn Hughes, where every year the Avalanche fan base still act like it's 2022, this thread is about 2023-now.

Arguments change over time because their careers aren't over yet. That's not the goalposts moving, it's player stats changing in real time. Also, goaltending doesn't affect possession stats, nobody is out here bringing up +/-.

Did you think maybe Cale has suffered because the avalanche goaltending has been epically bad? His offense sure seems better then hughes

 

[eviohh26]

I’m fine with it, exactly what am I making up? At least the post above acknowledged that the arguments have changed.


Did you think maybe Cale has suffered because the avalanche goaltending has been epically bad? His offense sure seems better then hughes

Don't you think its possible that the goal tending looks bad because the defense in front of him is bad? AV fans sure sound a lot like Oiler fans right now.

 

[SillyRabbit]

The Canucks' Vezina finalist goaltender has been injured since May and played 0 games since then.

I don't hear them complaining about goaltending hurting Hughes despite playing a rookie and a goaltender making the vet minimum for the past 7 months.

 

[Three On Zero]

Welcome to Cale makar vs Hughes where every year the canucks fan base move the goal posts on why Hughes is a better damn…. POG vs games played,Total points, higher can’t play defense, makar can’t play defense and it never ends… one thing people don’t adjust for just how ungodly bad the goaltending is and why that affects Cale makar.

Only fan here moving goal posts if you my good sir

 

[Rowlet]

Did you think maybe Cale has suffered because the avalanche goaltending has been epically bad? His offense sure seems better then hughes

I did think about that!

It doesn't though, Makar's possession stats are unaffected by actual goals against. As for offense, yeah he's better than Hughes, but Hughes is miles better defensively.

Makar also suffers both offensively and defensively when MacKinnon isn't on the ice, like below 40% in the major stats, while Hughes controls play at an elite level regardless of his linemates.

 

[dirtydanglez]

The Canucks' Vezina finalist goaltender has been injured since May and played 0 games since then.

I don't hear them complaining about goaltending hurting Hughes despite playing a rookie and a goaltender making the vet minimum for the past 7 months.

annunen - .881
georgiev - .863

not the same at all.

 

[Rowlet]

annunen - .881
georgiev - .863

not the same at all.

None of the advanced stats care about goalie performance though... it only cares about shot attempts

 

[lionsDen]

Only fan here moving goal posts if you my good sir

whatever you say scarecrow

 

[wetcoast]

I did think about that!

It doesn't though, Makar's possession stats are unaffected by actual goals against. As for offense, yeah he's better than Hughes, but Hughes is miles better defensively.

Makar also suffers both offensively and defensively when MacKinnon isn't on the ice, like below 40% in the major stats, while Hughes controls play at an elite level regardless of his linemates.

While I don't disagree with what you are saying here and I love Hughes, I'd still take Makar in a vacuum over Hughes but the difference has become extremely slight.

My only hope is that the Landon Dupont and Matthew Schaefer rivalry will be as good.

These things are great for hockey.