Post-Game Talk: Sharks 3 - Jets 2 in OT

[AlphaLackey]

I have read over and over on these boards that faceoffs do not matter. Looks like they might once in awhile. Not the only issue but certainly didn't help things.

Of those 60 face offs, how many resulted in a goal for the team that won it before the other team got possession?

Just to illustrate: if you could guarantee and I mean *guarantee* that San Jose was going to score if they won the face off, that D zone face off was only going to give them a 25% chance to win the game. So multiply that by the percentage of o zone faceoffs 6-on-5 with 11 seconds left thy result in a goal, and you’ll see just how small the average impact of a single face off is, even o-zone, even 6 on 5, even if there’s 11 seconds left.

But we’ll remember these ones and be bitter about them because they stick in our mind. Remember that five minute major in the playoffs in the SJ / VGK series? The “the ref screwed us” crowd don’t get that this major gave SJ like a 1% chance to win that game. No, I’m not exaggerating.

So yeah. Faceoffs do “matter” in the same kind of way that buying a 6/49 ticket does matter if you want to win the lottery. And when your lottery ticket wins you a prize, it seems like naturally it was a “big deal” to buy a ticket.

 

[tbcwpg]

Honestly I think once Bones gets our d down patt we are going to have to turn the keys over to a coach who can build a robust offensive scheme on top of it. We have very similar offensive issues as his Dallas teams did. No real systems and hoping your talent can adhoc their way to goals.

Will there be enough talent here at that point to take advantage of a robust offensive scheme?

 

[GNP]

Anybody check the standing?
Jets moved up to third place ... Relax

When you totally dominate a game, you shouldn't be that pissed off. If we were dominated by the Sharks, I could see it. We're doing OK, and we got goalied a bit tonight, and the powerplay, is impotent, and needs a lot of work. The standings are tightening up here.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

blame scheifele on a game that shouldn't have even reached overtime because he extended his shift a bit on a f***ing gimmick, when he was one of our better players tonight.

He was not one of the better players.He is selfish and lazy at inopportune times.

 

[WolfHouse]

Wheeler on the ice for two minutes to end the game and Scheif double shifts in OT... nothing has changed in that locker room. Those two guys still running the show.

 

[gojetsgo]

He was not one of the better players.He is selfish and lazy at inopportune times.

ok...

 

[surixon]

Will there be enough talent here at that point to take advantage of a robust offensive scheme?

Hard to say.

 

[WolfgangPuck]

Not going to over analyze
Sucky result.
Jets still need a lot of work to be competitive against the stronger teams.

 

[B33R LEAGUE]

Karlsson < Norrissey

 

[Thechozen1]

Avalanche play the Sharks tomorrow. Let’s see how they prepare and execute coming off a loss. Something tells me the Avalanche won’t score less than 4.

 

[WolfHouse]

Like people don’t notice that he is generating more offensive chances than anyone else right now short of Morrissey.

He's back to his old habits - extended shifts and no backchecking... he's always been able to create offence when he sort of feels like it... which was not tonight.

almost 9 minutes on the power play and he has one SOG? The guy is coasting and playing for hockey card stats...

 

[ecolad]

This is a game where the lack of an offensive scheme and going add hoc on offense hurt the team. We had a number of great looks but most came from head with the goalie set. A more structured offense with proper layering and rotation and we would have had lanes to make Reimer move much more for saves.

Yup - this is very much my view as well. I don`t think that this team can go deep into the playoffs (if indeed they even make the playoffs) with this limited style of play. When the team was still winning consistently, there were very few here who wanted to acknowledge that this could prove to be a problem as things tightened up and became more intense near season end.

 

[Thechozen1]

Look on the bright side Jets gained a point on the Stars

They won’t catch the STARS

 

[WolfHouse]

Karlsson < Norrissey

Karlsson has four more years in San Jose... he wants Bedard haha

 

[None]

I agree. Blaming solely Rittich for this is kind of missing the forest for the trees IMO. 0/6 on the PP and we can’t convert on our chances. PP is a real problem and we should’ve blown the doors down on a bottom dweller when we had six PPs tonight. It’s been an issue all season — passing it around the perimeter a bunch of times and then shooting it into the goalie’s chest with no traffic in front. Frustrating.

Yeah, I don't understand what's going on with the powerplay. I don't think there's any coaching going on there because it just feels like a copy of previous years.

 

[surixon]

Yup - this is very much my view as well. I don`t think that this team can go deep into the playoffs (if indeed they even make the playoffs) with this limited style of play. When the team was still winning consistently, there were very few here who wanted to acknowledge that this could prove to be a problem as things tightened up and became more intense near season end.

I was hoping that they'd build those things in as the defensive schemes took hold. But I should have known they likely wouldn't have bene implemented given what we saw in Dallas under him.

The lack of these things really hinder some of our forwards. Guys like Conner, Scheifele, Perfetti would all thrive in a high rotation and layer system. Add in dmen like JoMo, Heinola and some others and we could really open things up with the offensive IQ on the team.

 

[GNP]

Thought Apples was crap as well, would have left AJF instead!

100 % agree. AJF should be a "regular" in the lineup, he's a sparkplug, always hustles, and can score the odd goal. I don't understand why they don't use him in the regular rotation.

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

Saying you need to get better as a team at faceoffs is like saying you need to get better at predicting coin flips.

 

[WolfHouse]

I was hoping that they'd build those things in as the defensive schemes took hold. But I should have known they likely wouldn't have bene implemented given what we saw in Dallas under him.

The lack of these things really hinder some of our forwards. Guys like Conner, Scheifele, Perfetti would all thrive in a high rotation and layer system. Add in dmen like JoMo, Heinola and some others and we could really open things up with the offensive IQ on the team.

To be fair, the power play is what got Trotz fired in Long Island... so we were always doomed haha

 

[Teemusalami204]

Saying you need to get better as a team at faceoffs is like saying you need to get better at predicting coin flips.

It’s just a coincidence we lose the most important coin flips every single game ?

 

[surixon]

Yeah, I don't understand what's going on with the powerplay. I don't think there's any coaching going on there because it just feels like a copy of previous years.

They have players in the wrong roles as well which hurts. I don't know wtf Dubois is doing on it the past 20 to 30 games. He was great in the bumper spot but now he's on the outside trying to make passes or shoot from odd angles and from distance. He needs to get back to the role he's good at. I don't care if he thinks he's some kind of HB QB he sucks at it.

The Scheifele HB experiment needs to end. It's been three years now and he still doesn't have a hot clue how to break down a PK. He is way to stationary, doesn't open up any passing lanes and is allergic to walking in and shooting to keep penalty killers honest. Put him down low where he actually looked decent today.

 

[None]

Saying you need to get better as a team at faceoffs is like saying you need to get better at predicting coin flips.

Not sure I'd go that far but it is just a single possession event. Literally no different than winning the puck against the boards or knocking a pass down. Only a small fraction of those changes in possession actually result in scoring chances and even fewer as an immediate and direct result.

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

Not sure I'd go that far but it is just a single possession event. Literally no different than winning the puck against the boards or knocking a pass down. Only a small fraction of those changes in possession actually result in scoring chances and even fewer as an immediate and direct result.

The worst-ever team in NHL history at faceoffs finished around 45 percent.

Worrying about it in broad terms is useless, The juice is not worth the squeeze. There may be value in individuals and having an ace on your team, I haven't really thought about it, but tracking them as a team stat is completely worthless IMO.

 

[None]

They have players in the wrong roles as well which hurts. I don't know wtf Dubois is doing on it the past 20 to 30 games. He was great in the bumper spot but now he's on the outside trying to make passes or shoot from odd angles and from distance. He needs to get back to the role he's good at. I don't care if he thinks he's some kind of HB QB he sucks at it.

The Scheifele HB experiment needs to end. It's been three years now and he still doesn't have a hot clue how to break down a PK. He is way to stationary, doesn't open olup any passing lanes and is allergic to walking in ans shooting to keep penalty killers honest. Put him down low where he actually looked decent today.

My opinion is that Scheifele was best in the bumper/lower slot but that opinion was based on a PP that included Laine playing in the left circle/half-wall. Without the shooting threat of Laine I imagine that slot position is covered quite a bit tighter.

I think it goes back to the opinion that players just don't want to play the tough roles. They don't want to sit in the areas where they're getting pushed around or taking pucks off their legs.

 

[KingBogo]

They have players in the wrong roles as well which hurts. I don't know wtf Dubois is doing on it the past 20 to 30 games. He was great in the bumper spot but now he's on the outside trying to make passes or shoot from odd angles and from distance. He needs to get back to the role he's good at. I don't care if he thinks he's some kind of HB QB he sucks at it.

The Scheifele HB experiment needs to end. It's been three years now and he still doesn't have a hot clue how to break down a PK. He is way to stationary, doesn't open up any passing lanes and is allergic to walking in and shooting to keep penalty killers honest. Put him down low where he actually looked decent today.

Not sure why you blame Scheifele for being stationary anymore than Connor, who is even more stationary? The PPs QB is Morrissey and they have a shooter on each wall. Not a very effective design.