Player Discussion Shane Pinto (C) - PART 2

[HoweHullOrr]

Re: Pinto 10.2.c contract (BTW - I copied a previous post, so the games played this year has increased)

ELCs and 10.2.c.s can not be given an offer sheet.

In CapFriendly, they mention that a player must have three years of pro experience and 80 total games played to go from an ELC to a RFA contract.

But, they also state: "If a player who is signed to an entry-level contract and is 18 or 19 years of age (as of September 15 of the signing year), does not play in a minimum of 10 NHL games (including both regular season and playoffs; AHL games do not count), their contract is considered to ‘slide’, or extend, by one year."

It took some digging, but I did eventually find an explanation below. It seems like what's described below is the reason why.

I see that in the *** "Pro-Seasons (GP sum of all leagues)" section, CF is not even listing 2021-22 which is the season he only played 5 games.

Status: Ineligible
Shane Pinto is arbitration ineligible. With a first contract signing age of 20, 4 professional seasons are required for arbitration eligibility. At the current time, 2 professional seasons have been earned. A detailed breakdown of the completed professional seasons are displayed below.

Details​

First Contract Signing Age: 20
Pro-Seasons Required: 4
Pro-Seasons Completed: 2

Pro-Seasons Details​

*** Pro-Seasons (GP sum of all leagues)

1. 2020-21: 12 GP
2. 2022-23: 38 GP

Shane Pinto Arbitration Eligibility - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps​

Shane Pinto NHL arbitration eligibility calculation

www.capfriendly.com

 

[bert]

He was starting to play better but the last 5 games or so he has been really quiet. Just need to be patient here, he is a rookie. This is his first real season of pro. NHL is a great league its a transition.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I think the problem is that he really hasn't even shown flashes for the last 20 something games.

He's definitely in over his head right now in the 2C role, which is disappointing albeit understandable given his age and having missed all of last year due to injury, but more disappointing is his inability to pass the puck.

Will have a hard time ever playing with skill players if he can't improve his ability to handle the puck and distribute it to linemates.

 

[Sting]

I think the problem is that he really hasn't even shown flashes for the last 20 something games.

He's definitely in over his head right now in the 2C role, which is disappointing albeit understandable given his age and having missed all of last year due to injury, but more disappointing is his inability to pass the puck.

Will have a hard time ever playing with skill players if he can't improve his ability to handle the puck and distribute it to linemates.

That's sort of the classic dorion and Mann draft choice of the last 5 years outside of Stutzle. The team needs talent. Guys with high end hands.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I think Pinto will be fine when all the slotting gets sorted out. Be nice if he had better wingers on the 3rd line.

 

[OD99]

He seems to be thinking too much right now.

Instead of moving his feet and making plays he is processing the game. He has a lot more speed to his game but the tentative nature of his play isn't allowing it to show.

Back to 3rd line next year plus aother off season/camp will have him off to a better start next year.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

He seems to be thinking too much right now.

Instead of moving his feet and making plays he is processing the game. He has a lot more speed to his game but the tentative nature of his play isn't allowing it to show.

Back to 3rd line next year plus aother off season/camp will have him off to a better start next year.

I guarantee you Boucher would have loved Pinto and Pinto would have thrived in that system or one like it a neutral zone trap and counter team..

 

[aragorn]

Pinto will be part of the bottom six next season that will add some secondary scoring but he will need more offensive players on his wings like Sokolov & Formenton or Greig.

 

[Sun God Nika]

Pinto was making some sweet tape to tape passes early on, I don't get why everyone here is pretending like that didn't happen.

 

[bicboi64]

I really wish Cat and Giroux were consistently his main line mates. Brady Stu and Bath is more then enough to be a first line, and having vet wingers is the best way to help Pinto develop.

He's doing fine for a rookie but he's plateau'd from his first quarter of the season. On the bright side, his next deal will be very cheap lol

 

[Cosmix]

Pinto will be part of the bottom six next season that will add some secondary scoring but he will need more offensive players on his wings like Sokolov & Formenton or Greig.

And Joseph.

 

[aragorn]

And Joseph.

I don't know what to think of Joseph, great wheels, but just doesn't add much if any offence. IMO I would much rather have Formenton - Pinto - Sokolov 3rd line, I think they would create more offence. Joseph will likely take Watson's spot on the 4th line as an energy player & defensive forward.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I don't know what to think of Joseph, great wheels, but just doesn't add much if any offence. IMO I would much rather have Formenton - Pinto - Sokolov 3rd line, I think they would create more offence. Joseph will likely take Watson's spot on the 4th line as an energy player & defensive forward.

I'd rather have Formenton Pinto Brown

 

[aragorn]

I'd rather have Formenton Pinto Brown

So would I but Brown's gone.

 

[Cosmix]

I don't know what to think of Joseph, great wheels, but just doesn't add much if any offence. IMO I would much rather have Formenton - Pinto - Sokolov 3rd line, I think they would create more offence. Joseph will likely take Watson's spot on the 4th line as an energy player & defensive forward.

Joseph played exceptionally well when he joined out team in the trade. I think the coach should try him in the top 6 again with the linemates he had then. Lets see if he can do it again. $3M for a 4th liner is not where Joseph should be.

 

[Sun God Nika]

We got two players back today.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Joseph played exceptionally well when he joined out team in the trade. I think the coach should try him in the top 6 again with the linemates he had then. Lets see if he can do it again. $3M for a 4th liner is not where Joseph should be.

I think he should earn it. He hasn't

 

[Xspyrit]

Pinto is the guy who should benefit having Norris back the most. Being a rookie and after missing a whole season, the ask from him so far was a bit too much. Now he can play maybe more relaxed

The other 2 guys should be Tkachuk and Batherson, it would help them a lot 5 on 5...

Waiting on DJ to smarten up...

 

[coladin]

seemed like a different player. Just looked relaxed. And way more effective

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

seemed like a different player. Just looked relaxed. And way more effective

Definitely noticed him with the puck more.

May have been the easier matchup of being on home ice and not being slotted against the top lines of the opposition. But also may have been that the Penguins just didn't look like a team that took away players time and space --- ie more room to move out there for all the Sens.

Was nice to see him score and his reaction showed how much he needed it.

 

[Cosmix]

I think he should earn it. He hasn't

I think he should be given a chance in the top 6 because he did show he could do it in about a dozen games playing with Tkachuk and Norris. If he could click again with those two, then we might be able to get 3 lines going. Of course if it does not work then we may have to trade him to get out from his contract.

So would I but Brown's gone.

2 Steps Forward: Debrincat, Giroux,
3 Steps Back: Formenton, C. Brown, Paul

Hmmm.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

2 Steps Forward: Debrincat, Giroux,
3 Steps Back: Formenton, C. Brown, Paul

Hmmm.

Not all steps are made equal!

 

[bashbros32]

I think he should earn it. He hasn't

No he hasn't but I think playing Pinto with Giroux should be a priority... Stutzle has his game figured out it seems, just needs to get better at draws, which can be worked on in practice, I understand that Norris can't take or isn't taking faceoffs right away, but as soon as he is ready again Giroux should be stapled to Pinto.

Tkachuk - Norris - Batherson
DeBrincat - Stutzle - Joseph
Motte(Greig) - Pinto - Giroux
Kelly - Kastelic - Watson
Gambrell.

 

[Mookie McGee]

Pinto's game is very straight lines so far. Hopefully as he gets more comfortable he tries more elusive moves like he tried last game; it will be crucial if he is to be a viable top 6 or replacement.

They had him getting the powerplay slot pass from the goal line early for the one-timer, and that was where a bunch of his goals came from. It was also his money move in college. Why they stopped doing it is beyond me - it is hard to defend when executed right, and when Tkachuk gets the pass on the goal line, teams can't ignore him sliding out himself in order to cover Pinto.

Trading Pinto at this point seems idiotic, so of course it has to be at the top of Pierre's mind.

 

[StoicSensFan]

No he hasn't but I think playing Pinto with Giroux should be a priority... Stutzle has his game figured out it seems, just needs to get better at draws, which can be worked on in practice, I understand that Norris can't take or isn't taking faceoffs right away, but as soon as he is ready again Giroux should be stapled to Pinto.

Tkachuk - Norris - Batherson
DeBrincat - Stutzle - Joseph
Motte(Greig) - Pinto - Giroux
Kelly - Kastelic - Watson
Gambrell.

Such a great balanced lineup, I might switch Chucky and Cat but that's it