Player Discussion Shane Pinto (C) - PART 2

[bert]

with norris out do you move Pinto to 2C or keep him with motte and joseph because that line has been buzzing & hope that Brassard can fill into the 2nd line

Quite clearly this is what they should be doing on a 3 game win streak. Especially considering all three other lines are firing.

 

[bert]

Brassard has shown some chemistry with Giroux and Debrincat. Is it anything more than a band-aid? No, but having that 3rd line intact is a big reason for some of our early success and I don't see a need to mess with that until they cool off.

The best teams roll 4 lines. It's a long season, if it doesn't work then change it. Don't do anything right now. Debrincat Brassard Giroux were really good against the Habs albeit in exhibition. It's the best game Debrincat has had yet. Let's see it. That 4th line is an identity line and the 3rd line is on fire. Don't change it.

 

[DJB]

But then you lose out on the beautiful chemistry Pinto has with Motte and Joseph.


I wouldn't necessarily say he's been better than any of the six forwards, but to be in the same discussion as those other six is huge for Pinto and us at this stage.

Pinto also had amazing chemistry with Giroux and Cat in the pre season.

I’d prefer everyone gets bumped up a spot. Not sure how a guy that’s been a healthy scratch for the first 4 games suddenly draws into a top 6C role because of injury.

Move Pinto to 2C, Kastelic to 3C and Brass to 4C

 

[bert]

Pinto also had amazing chemistry with Giroux and Cat in the pre season.

I’d prefer everyone gets bumped up a spot. Not sure how a guy that’s been a healthy scratch for the first 4 games suddenly draws into a top 6C role because of injury.

Move Pinto to 2C, Kastelic to 3C and Brass to 4C

No way, they've won 3 in a row. They have been rolling 4 lines. That's why they've been good, fresh legs hard on the forcheck. Changing all the lines yuck.

 

[toxic poster]

I'd prefer Pinto between DCat and Giroux. I think he is the best option to play in the top 6.

We are not going to be as good as with Norris in.. no matter how they are shuffled.

They can put Kastelic, Brass or Gambrell at 3C and one of them in at 4C.

Keep the top 2 lines as strong as we can make them.

I think it would be disappointing if he didn't get an opportunity to showcase himself in a top6 role with Norris out but on the other hand the third line has been imperative for us getting wins so far. Not so clear cut on what I'd want, personally

Quite clearly this is what they should be doing on a 3 game win streak. Especially considering all three other lines are firing.

Mostly agree, if Brass can slide into the 2C (where he's primarily played his entire career) and be a good stopgap while Norris is out that sounds ideal, but like I said above it's tough as a fan to not want to give Pinto all the opportunity possible and see what he can do with more skilled linemates flanking him despite the third line clicking so well. Will be interesting to see what DJ goes with

 

[JD1]

The best teams roll 4 lines. It's a long season, if it doesn't work then change it. Don't do anything right now. Debrincat Brassard Giroux were really good against the Habs albeit in exhibition. It's the best game Debrincat has had yet. Let's see it. That 4th line is an identity line and the 3rd line is on fire. Don't change it.

Exactly. I suggested Brassard to 2c immediately. Every line is clicking. Every line doing well. Putting Brassard in the 2c spot is the least disruptive thing to do, especially on short notice.

Brassard isn't a 2c anymore. But, two years ago we had guys that weren't 2c calibre needing to carrying a line of guys that weren't 2nd line players. DeBrincat is a top line player and Giroux is a superb play maker. The other two can carry Brassard for a bit if needed, at least until we get a few practices in and see what the alternatives might be

I think it would be disappointing if he didn't get an opportunity to showcase himself in a top6 role with Norris out but on the other hand the third line has been imperative for us getting wins so far. Not so clear cut on what I'd want, personally

Mostly agree, if Brass can slide into the 2C (where he's primarily played his entire career) and be a good stopgap while Norris is out that sounds ideal, but like I said above it's tough as a fan to not want to give Pinto all the opportunity possible and see what he can do with more skilled linemates flanking him despite the third line clicking so well. Will be interesting to see what DJ goes with

We're not in the give Pinto opportunity business, we're in the winning hockey games business

Why mess up multiple lines when Brassard easily slides in between DeBrincat and Giroux?

 

[bert]

I think it would be disappointing if he didn't get an opportunity to showcase himself in a top6 role with Norris out but on the other hand the third line has been imperative for us getting wins so far. Not so clear cut on what I'd want, personally

Mostly agree, if Brass can slide into the 2C (where he's primarily played his entire career) and be a good stopgap while Norris is out that sounds ideal, but like I said above it's tough as a fan to not want to give Pinto all the opportunity possible and see what he can do with more skilled linemates flanking him despite the third line clicking so well. Will be interesting to see what DJ goes with

The 'third line' has been better than the '2nd line' line all season. It simply doesn't make sense to change it right now. If a line struggles or goes stale sure do it. At even strength they have been playing just as much. This teams recent success has come because they can roll 4 lines, sustain zone time and stay on the oppositions D. You can't do that if you don't have depth. They break up that line and they probably lose the thing that has got them here. I find it strange that posters would prefer individual success over the teams. If Norris is out long term lines will be shuffled. Other players will get sick/injured etc. Seems like posters are concerned with slotting way too much. Just not how hockey works. Chemistry on a line is most important. Not all players have it and you need reps to develop it.

 

[JD1]

The 'third line' has been better than the '2nd line' line all season. It simply doesn't make sense to change it right now. If a line struggles or goes stale sure do it. At even strength they have been playing just as much. This teams recent success has come because they can roll 4 lines, sustain zone time and stay on the oppositions D. You can't do that if you don't have depth. They break up that line and they probably lose the thing that has got them here. I find it strange that posters would prefer individual success over the teams. If Norris is out long term lines will be shuffled. Other players will get sick/injured etc. Seems like posters are concerned with slotting way too much. Just not how hockey works. Chemistry on a line is most important. Not all players have it and you need reps to develop it.

I'm actually always concerned about slotting. I see guys get overslotted and then commentary in here on it lacking the context of being overslotted

Pinto is 22 games into an NHL career. He's doing fantastic in the role he is in and his line is outplaying his match ups. We don't need to screw with that by bumping him up. Not now anyway

The other angle is both Giroux and Brassard can play both wing and centre. There are a lot of 2nd lines out there worse than DeBrincat Giroux and Brassard, regardless of who plays C.

 

[toxic poster]

We're not in the give Pinto opportunity business, we're in the winning hockey games business

por que no los dos?

 

[aragorn]

I would guess that DJ might give Brassard a shot at replacing Norris on the 2nd line with his buddy Giroux who he seems to have chemistry with & he has played a skilled role at C most of his career. If it clearly doesn't work than they have the luxury of giving Pinto a chance to see what he can do there, either way they change the lines in games quite quickly when things aren't working according to plan anyways.

 

[dumbdick]

Pinto's odds for winning calder moved from 50-1 to 20-1 this week.

10-1 now. Only 3 players with better odds.

 

[GCK]

10-1 now. Only 3 players with better odds.

I finally pulled the trigger yesterday. Put 100 down on Pinto at 15-1. I also dropped 20 on DJ for the Jack Adams figuring he’s got a great shot if we make the playoffs.

 

[DaveMatthew]

The 'third line' has been better than the '2nd line' line all season. It simply doesn't make sense to change it right now. If a line struggles or goes stale sure do it. At even strength they have been playing just as much. This teams recent success has come because they can roll 4 lines, sustain zone time and stay on the oppositions D. You can't do that if you don't have depth. They break up that line and they probably lose the thing that has got them here. I find it strange that posters would prefer individual success over the teams. If Norris is out long term lines will be shuffled. Other players will get sick/injured etc. Seems like posters are concerned with slotting way too much. Just not how hockey works. Chemistry on a line is most important. Not all players have it and you need reps to develop it.

And even if Brassard is on the 2nd line on paper, Pinto will get shifts with that group.

Norris was playing 19:00+ a night in the first 6 games. Brassard won't get all of that ice-time.

Pinto, has been getting ~14:30.

So my bet is Pinto bumps up to 16:00-17:00 a night and Brassard settles in at 15:00-16:00.

 

[OD99]

I finally pulled the trigger yesterday. Put 100 down on Pinto at 15-1. I also dropped 20 on DJ for the Jack Adams figuring he’s got a great shot if we make the playoffs.

Where are you guys using as your site?

I set-up Bet888 but it looks like they only do games, not futures.

Is there a, "best" site or they are all the same?

 

[GCK]

Where are you guys using as your site?

I set-up Bet888 but it looks like they only do games, not futures.

Is there a, "best" site or they are all the same?

Fanduel has Pinto at 15-1, ScoreBet has him at 10-1. Always shop futures.

 

[SixthSens]

Give him the Batherson deal and call it a day.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Give him the Batherson deal and call it a day.

If he gets 60 points I imagine he'll be getting a 5 mil per/3 year bridge deal.

 

[GCK]

I just ran some numbers on a 20 man roster next year with Debrincat 9M, Zub 5M and Pinto 5M resigned along with Hamonic/replacement at 2.5M and a backup goalie at 2.0M.

Total Cap - 79,804,880
Total Cash - 78,112,500

We could do it if the Cap goes up to 86.5M but it would be tight considering dead money

 

[Senovision]

Ottawa's Shane Pinto may no longer be a long shot to win rookie of the year

With four goals and seven points in nine games, Seattle Kraken rookie Matty Beniers remains the favourite (+350) to win the Calder Trophy. But leading scorer Calen …

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[Xspyrit]

Nevermind the Calder or Selke talks, it's going to be Hart talk

Give him the Batherson deal and call it a day.

Probably too late

 

[Tap on the Ankle]

dudes getting paid

definitely looking like one of him, Norris, or Cat will not be here next season

 

[SensFactor]

dudes getting paid

definitely looking like one of him, Norris, or Cat will not be here next season

Debrincat will be traded

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Debrincat will be traded

Most likely outcome; probably for a young defenseman to play next to Sanderson or Chabot.

 

[Senovision]

He reminds me of Mike Bossy....not saying he will be Mike Bossy....as he was arguably the purest goal scorer to ever play in the NHL.

But Pinto has great hands and can really fire the puck with a quick release. He seems to be able to find open pockets on the ice. He also has the ability to waltz down the wing and rip it past the goalie with a cannonading drive.

 

[RickyLafleur]

No way, they've won 3 in a row. They have been rolling 4 lines. That's why they've been good, fresh legs hard on the forcheck. Changing all the lines yuck.

Yeah lets not fix the 2nd line in order to keep the 3rd and 4th lines intact...what a big brain move. Pinto has already displayed chemistry with Giroux and Debrincat meanwhile Brassard hasn't played in someone's top 6 in nearly 7 years.