Player Discussion Shane Pinto (C) - PART 2

[bert]

If there is a bad injury in the top 6 there is a good chance he can compete for the calder and flirt with 60 points. (knock on wood that doesnt happen). As his contract demands will potentially price him out of this market and thats way less depth for the team. If he stays on the 3rd line and plays on the 2nd pp I think 45 points is roughly where he ends up give or take a few assuming he stays healthy.

He really is the X factor on this team that could push them into a playoff spot. Stylistically I see a bit of a mix between Bergeron and Getzlaf. (not saying he will be close to these players just how he plays)

 

[dumbdick]

What do people see as the likelihood he outplays Norris and steals the 2c role?

The only problem is I don't really see Norris playing a 3c role with his skillset.

 

[Answer]

What do people see as the likelihood he outplays Norris and steals the 2c role?

The only problem is I don't really see Norris playing a 3c role with his skillset.

Outside of the PowerPlay, he hardly looks like a 2C

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Outside of the PowerPlay, he hardly looks like a 2C

Lol dkm.

Norris at the end of last season was playing with puck on a string at times in offensive zone. He has more skills than he's shown. I used to say Norris is likely 1B C on cup winning team (and looks to be projecting just that with Stutzle breakout) but he's shown some serious jump in his overall play.

 

[OD99]

Lol dkm.

Norris at the end of last season was playing with puck on a string at times in offensive zone. He has more skills than he's shown. I used to say Norris is likely 1B C on cup winning team (and looks to be projecting just that with Stutzle breakout) but he's shown some serious jump in his overall play.

The first guy we have to score 30 let alone 35 in many seasons and it's amazing how much slagging he gets!

Norris is a good player and a natural goal scorer playing on a line with 2 guys who can dish it. His defensive game has really come around and he is getting better in the dot. He is becoming a legit 200ft player and so is Stu...we are going to have 3 dynamic C that contribute all over the ice but in different ways however they are all going to be important to our success.

Strength down the middle is so important and while Norris isn't the classic C who is more of a distributor, he is at least a 1B in the league.

 

[Que]

If we can lock this guy up we’ll have THREE 1C’s on our roster for up to 6 years.

 

[aragorn]

Pinto needs to be re-signed long term as part of this core moving forward asap.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

With Pinto, his contract his tricky.

I normally advocate signing key guys long term instead of bridges, but
A. Cap space will be tight the next year
B. If Pinto puts up 40ish points, him and his agent may want a bridge so he may be able to earn more if he puts up more points over the next couple of years.

 

[OD99]

With Pinto, his contract his tricky.

I normally advocate signing key guys long term instead of bridges, but
A. Cap space will be tight the next year
B. If Pinto puts up 40ish points, him and his agent may want a bridge so he may be able to earn more if he puts up more points over the next couple of years.

Agreed.

If we can bridge him (not to FA) to a reasonable hit and let the cap go up we can then sign him longer term and have contracts staggered and hopefully be able to keep our core guys long term and still have good depth.

 

[Que]

I think the reality is he gets bridged two years at 2.5 per and then signs “the contract.” Some version of 8x8 with a little extra. I’m assuming 8.57 as he’s #57.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

I think the reality is he gets bridged two years at 2.5 per and then signs “the contract.” Some version of 8x8 with a little extra. I’m assuming 8.57 as he’s #57.

I don't think paying 8 mil for what will likely be our third line center is wise.

 

[OD99]

I don't think paying 8 mil for what will likely be our third line center is wise.

I understand and he still needs to prove it but he won't be just a 3rd line C.

We may have to look at moving someone as it will be difficult to manage 3 C that are all 1st line caliber but if we can manage it...oh baby.

I am already excited thinking of his line against other teams 3rd line...and if they get used as a match up line then one of our tip 2 lines gets easier match up. This line could be a real key to this seasons success.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

I understand and he still needs to prove it but he won't be just a 3rd line C.

We may have to look at moving someone as it will be difficult to manage 3 C that are all 1st line caliber but if we can manage it...oh baby.

I am already excited thinking of his line against other teams 3rd line...and if they get used as a match up line then one of our tip 2 lines gets easier match up. This line could be a real key to this seasons success.

I think that a 2nd line caliber forward that can score around 50 points should only get about 5 mil.

 

[majormajor]

I think the reality is he gets bridged two years at 2.5 per and then signs “the contract.” Some version of 8x8 with a little extra. I’m assuming 8.57 as he’s #57.

I think Pinto can be that valuable of a player but he won't be able to earn that much until he is 26/27 and on the verge of UFA. His production will be a bit lower because he'll be playing defensive matchups alongside checking wingers and he won't get top PP time. If by chance Norris gets moved out then maybe Pinto takes that role and salary but if that doesn't happen then the Sens won't need to worry about paying Pinto big money for another four years.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

I don't think paying 8 mil for what will likely be our third line center is wise.

If he is getting 8 mil it will be because he pushed one of Norris or Stutzle down the line up.

 

[Boud]

The smart play with Pinto would be to go the Batherson route and the team is in a great position to do that IMO. At the end of the season, what's the best case scenario for him?

Unless there's injuries and he's elevated in the lineup we're talking about 40-50 maximum. He will have only a season under his belt.

You offer him a 5-6 year deal at 4.5-5M a year and you guarantee you can keep your core forwards long term. Formenton is replaced by Greig to save some money. In a couple years Joseph is replaced by Boucher or Ostapchuk. 4rth line will be manageable with Motte type deals or other young players filling in.

That's beneficial for Pinto who'll be guaranteed 25-30M right away and another huge contract once he's right in his prime and when the cap will be up 10+M. Beneficial for the team as it allows them to keep him past the next 2-3 seasons.

 

[Sens With Benefits]

He grew for sure. He looks 6'4. Really stands out.

Edit: He was standing beside Giroux, Brannstrom and Debrincat lol so maybe not.

 

[Que]

The cap is going to go up 12% by the time I expect Pinto to get 8+ million a season. So really that’s like 6.65 million in todays cap hit.

I’d hope he signs a Batherson type contract at the end of this season, obviously, but I can’t see him or his agent willing to do that.

8 million in three seasons will be a Batherson type contract when the cap is 92.5 million.

 

[OD99]

I think that a 2nd line caliber forward that can score around 50 points should only get about 5 mil.

He is way more than that and will keep proving it. This kid is special and has loads of room to grow his game.

Skating, power, shot, IQ...he is the full package and is trending towards becoming a dominant player all over the ice.

 

[playasRus]

5.7M x 6 years right away, get it.

 

[SensFactor]

I think he will be better than Norris...Sens better save some capspace for this man this summer

 

[h2]

This guy is an absolute stud

 

[Rodzilla]

I have said from the beginning I believe he can be better than Norris and I stand by that. Such a solid player, always stands out its impressive

 

[Sun God Nika]

Lol any talk of moving on from this guy makes me sick.

He is our Bergeron/Toews/Kesler/Getzlaf type centre.

He isn’t going to have much leverage this summer since there is only going to be 1 season of play for him and it’s as a third line role. Sens should use that as an opportunity to lock him up long term or bridge him for two years and then try again once the cap jumps.

If Debrincat leaves you move Pinto up and move Norris or Stu back to the wing.

 

[bert]

I don't think paying 8 mil for what will likely be our third line center is wise.

I don't think you can really look at it that way. He is a top 5 forward no matter what position his versatility puts him in. When you have this many good players they won't have defined roles like that. They will move up and down the lineup. There is almost always injuries. I think they Bridge him until Girouxs contract is up and give him his money in 3 seasons.