Player Discussion Shane Pinto (C) - PART 2

[playasRus]

Honestly, I have a hard time understanding how anybody that watched Pinto play last year and to finish off the year prior would think he had a bad start, or more importantly, that Tierney of all people might contest him for 3rd line center...

I mean, it's been a while since we last saw him play so memories are a bit foggy, but still...

Historically we've given roles bases on cap hit to try and justify the salaries and Pinto is also waiver eligible so it's not inconceivable that the guys with 3M and 5M payroll might've been given priority.

It's not a knock on Pinto pin any way.

Hell the only reason Zaitsev isn't buried is because of his salary.

 

[Micklebot]

Historically we've given roles bases on cap hit to try and justify the salaries and Pinto is also waiver eligible so it's not inconceivable that the guys with 3M and 5M payroll might've been given priority.

It's not a knock on Pinto pin any way.

Hell the only reason Zaitsev isn't buried is because of his salary.

Historically, he started last season as our #2 center before getting hurt. Tierney was never a threat to his spot.

 

[bicboi64]

I'm just taking the wait and see approach with Pinto. He looked good in the games he played, but I just want to see a full season of him.

 

[playasRus]

Historically, he started last season as our #2 center before getting hurt. Tierney was never a threat to his spot.

You're getting hung up on the wrong thing. My point was there's no way Pinto starts in the AHL because there isn't even any internal competition.

It doesn't matter if he started as our 2C last year when our Top 6 C are set in stone this coming season and Pinto is relegated to 3C by default. If you disagree that NHL team's M.O. is to play high payroll players over waiver eligible ELC players, then we'll just have to agree to disagree. Could they have rolled with Tierney - Pinto - White? Of course, but my point isn't that he's lower down in the depth charts or less of a player than Tierney/White. It was literally that Pinto is guaranteed a spot on the roster theres no one to compete with him for it.

 

[HSF]

Honestly, I have a hard time understanding how anybody that watched Pinto play last year and to finish off the year prior would think he had a bad start, or more importantly, that Tierney of all people might contest him for 3rd line center...

I mean, it's been a while since we last saw him play so memories are a bit foggy, but still...

17 games in the nhl and 70 games in the last 3 years I can see why people aren't sure yet if Pinto will come out as a fully refined 3rd line center who can shutdown other teams

Agreed though that Tierney is garbage now

 

[OD99]

17 games in the nhl and 70 games in the last 3 years I can see why people aren't sure yet if Pinto will come out as a fully refined 3rd line center who can shutdown other teams

Agreed though that Tierney is garbage now

I also think fans have been conditioned to feel like bad things will happen.

Looking at him to finish his college career you could see he was NHL ready then he proved it but outstripping most expectations to finish the NHL season and followed it up with an amazing TC/preseason and looked great in the first few regular season games before the injury.

He will have rookie and regular camp to shake the rust off but unless his shoulder is really screwed he should step in and look impressive right away again. There is no reason not too - he didn't forget how to play and is probably stronger, faster, etc...with all the workout time he would have had.

 

[Crosside]

Pinto: It's an advantage to take part in the rookie showcase leading into main camp

Ottawa Senators forward Shane Pinto meets the media following practice at the Sens rookie camp.

www.tsn.ca

 

[Johnny Hanson]

Pinto: It's an advantage to take part in the rookie showcase leading into main camp

Ottawa Senators forward Shane Pinto meets the media following practice at the Sens rookie camp.

www.tsn.ca

This guy is just an absolute beauty. Can’t wait to watch him this year

 

[aragorn]

Pinto has everything you could want in a #1 centre, he has size, he is an excellent defensive forward, he wins draws & he contributes offensively. He will start the yr on the 3rd line because they have more experienced & proven centres ahead of him, but I expect he will be talked about a lot if he can remain healthy. I just wish he had better offensive linemates that could help develop his offence & hope that DJ gives him some good linemates to develop his offensive game futher. A future 3rd line of Formenton - Pinto - Sokolov would be awsome for this team.

 

[Boud]

Pinto has everything you could want in a #1 centre, he has size, he is an excellent defensive forward, he wins draws & he contributes offensively. He will start the yr on the 3rd line because they have more experienced & proven centres ahead of him, but I expect he will be talked about a lot if he can remain healthy. I just wish he had better offensive linemates that could help develop his offence & hope that DJ gives him some good linemates to develop his offensive game futher. A future 3rd line of Formenton - Pinto - Sokolov would be awsome for this team.

I mean Sokolov has a lot to prove to even be considered in the spot you're putting him in even long term. Joseph is a proven NHLer, played bottom 6 on a cup winner. Way better skater, good offensive instincts, better defensively, better forechecker. Sokolov only has size on him and shot .... that's not nearly enough to take Joseph out of that spot.

Hope he can prove us wrong but that's a long shot. If anything I could see Sokolov maybe replacing Watson next season.

 

[aragorn]

I mean Sokolov has a lot to prove to even be considered in the spot you're putting him in even long term. Joseph is a proven NHLer, played bottom 6 on a cup winner. Way better skater, good offensive instincts, better defensively, better forechecker. Sokolov only has size on him and shot .... that's not nearly enough to take Joseph out of that spot.

Hope he can prove us wrong but that's a long shot.

I think Sokolov is a much better offensive playmaker, you may be right about the rest, but Formenton & Pinto would take care of the defensive responsibility of the line. Joseph would do well on a line where someone can get him the puck, whereas Sokolov would be the guy to make plays on this line. Joseph IMO is mostly a defensive player although he did well with Tkachuk & Norris until he got hurt. I would just like to see what Sokolov could do with two decent players, he had two good yrs in Belleville, maybe he can translate it into the NHL. It is a long shot.

 

[Boud]

I think Sokolov is a much better offensive playmaker, you may be right about the rest, but Formenton & Pinto would take care of the defensive responsibility of the line. Joseph would do well on a line where someone can get him the puck, whereas Sokolov would be the guy to make plays on this line. Joseph IMO is mostly a defensive player although he did well with Tkachuk & Norris until he got hurt. I would just like to see what Sokolov could do with two decent players, he had two good yrs in Belleville, maybe he can translate it into the NHL. It is a long shot.

Fair!

 

[dumbdick]

What do people expect from Pinto offensively this year if he plays on the 3rd line?

What if he somehow finds himself in the top 6?

 

[Keli]

What do people expect from Pinto offensively this year if he plays on the 3rd line?

What if he somehow finds himself in the top 6?

I think he can hit 35-40 points this season.

 

[R We A Team]

He will have a huge impact this year. Pinto is going to win the Calder if given enough ice time, which I think he will earn.

 

[dumbdick]

I think he can hit 35-40 points this season.

I think he's going to do better.

His modest NHL numbers (8 pts in 17 GP) hide the fact that he only played a few
shifts in his final two games due to injury. So it's really 8 in 15 (7 in his last 10), with very limited usage in his first 5 games. But more importantly, he rocked the eye test pretty much every game.

He's such a consistent player, I think he just keeps right on rolling and hits about 15-20G and 50-60 points, depending on usage.

I honestly think he'll fight his way into some top-6 and PP time for stretches this year.

And yeah, I do think if he gets anywhere near 55-60 pts he's going to be well in the mix for the calder.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I think 40-50 points is possible if he gets #2 PP time, but 30-40 points is realistic.

 

[OD99]

I think he's going to do better.

His modest NHL numbers (8 pts in 17 GP) hide the fact that he only played a few
shifts in his final two games due to injury. So it's really 8 in 15 (7 in his last 10), with very limited usage in his first 5 games. But more importantly, he rocked the eye test pretty much every game.

He's such a consistent player, I think he just keeps right on rolling and hits about 15-20G and 50-60 points, depending on usage.

I honestly think he'll fight his way into some top-6 and PP time for stretches this year.

And yeah, I do think if he gets anywhere near 55-60 pts he's going to be well in the mix for the calder.

And he will get consistent PP time this year as well.

I can see 60 points and he will be in Calder talk due to that and the exposure to his overall game.

 

[Bevans]

I think he's going to do better.

His modest NHL numbers (8 pts in 17 GP) hide the fact that he only played a few
shifts in his final two games due to injury. So it's really 8 in 15 (7 in his last 10), with very limited usage in his first 5 games. But more importantly, he rocked the eye test pretty much every game.

He's such a consistent player, I think he just keeps right on rolling and hits about 15-20G and 50-60 points, depending on usage.

I honestly think he'll fight his way into some top-6 and PP time for stretches this year.

And yeah, I do think if he gets anywhere near 55-60 pts he's going to be well in the mix for the calder.

As president of the Pinto fan club, I think 60 is a little ambitious- without a major injury to Norris.

But if everyone is healthy, and Pinto can get 60, I think Senators could win their division.

It'll be interesting to see how his PP time goes. Ordinarily you'd think he has no shot at PP1, but all he has to do is get some chemistry with the right set of superstars and suddenly he's on the 1st unit many nights.

He also has the benefit of both being a great distributor and having a wicked one timer. So, he can be used as a Swiss army knife.

Considering how erratic the team's pp roles will be to start, it would be very helpful to the team to know that norris/Pinto will be standing in the same spot ready to fire the same one timer.

 

[aragorn]

I think Pinto has #1 centre potential & if we can't re-sign DeBrincat he could push Stutzle back to LW & take the 2nd line C spot. I know that's an unpopular position but Giroux already takes draws for Stutzle so why couldn't Pinto do it, he looks like he is going to be very good at it too? He's already better than Stutzle at it.

If DeBrincat does re-sign than we have the makings of three good lines & then we can see which prospects have the potential to be long term players for this team. Given the top two lines are both going to be very good Pinto, Formenton, Joseph, Motte & Kastelic look like they could be the foundation of the bottom six. Hopefully, the goaltending pans out & they can upgrade the defence where needed maybe even internally, at least one spot.

 

[GCK]

I think Pinto has #1 centre potential & if we can't re-sign DeBrincat he could push Stutzle back to LW & take the 2nd line C spot. I know that's an unpopular position but Giroux already takes draws for Stutzle so why couldn't Pinto do it, he looks like he is going to be very good at it too? He's already better than Stutzle at it.

If DeBrincat does re-sign than we have the makings of three good lines & then we can see which prospects have the potential to be long term players for this team. Given the top two lines are both going to be very good Pinto, Formenton, Joseph, Motte & Kastelic look like they could be the foundation of the bottom six. Hopefully, the goaltending pans out & they can upgrade the defence where needed maybe even internally, at least one spot.

We just gave Stutzle the biggest contract in team history based on how much better he looked after moving to centre. If Pinto shows out as a top 6 centre then we move him or Norris for help elsewhere. Stu isn’t going to the wing.

 

[Bevans]

We just gave Stutzle the biggest contract in team history based on how much better he looked after moving to centre. If Pinto shows out as a top 6 centre then we move him or Norris for help elsewhere. Stu isn’t going to the wing.

Hes not saying move him to wing.

Hes talking about a shared centre role like draisaitl, Miller, landeskog, rantanen, etc. All guys making stuzle money.

 

[Sting]

I also think there is a world where Pinto is a #1 C. He's not going to put up 100pt seasons but he reminds me of bigger Patrice Bergeron in a lot of ways. Obviously, this is his absolute ceiling and the likelihood that he reaches that on this team probably isn't high with Norris/Stutzle ahead of him.

Still, I can't get over how confident and responsible he is at 21.

 

[GCK]

Hes not saying move him to wing.

Hes talking about a shared centre role like draisaitl, Miller, landeskog, rantanen, etc. All guys making stuzle money.

Re read. Clearly states push Stutzle to LW in the first paragraph

 

[Bevans]

And r

Re read. Clearly states push Stutzle to LW in the first paragraph

Okay you mean the post where he refers to the fact that Giroux and Stutzle already share the role? Now re-read what I said and we're all set.


For the record, Aragorn liked my post so he's obviously not concerned with me somehow misrepresenting him.