Player Discussion Shane Pinto (C) - PART 2

[Micklebot]

DJ confirmed the following to start.

Tkachuk Norris Batherson
DeBrincat Stutzle Giroux

Chabot Zub

DJ did mention they likely will shake things up and at some point try Giroux wth Norris and Tkachuk to add a pure playmaker to that line.

 

[Golden_Jet]

DJ did mention they likely will shake things up and at some point try Giroux wth Norris and Tkachuk to add a pure playmaker to that line.

Yes he did say things always change, but will start like he mentioned.

 

[Sweatred]

Yes he did say things always change, but will start like he mentioned.

They will start like that (as he said) until he likes something better .. which could be 2:00 minutes into camp.

 

[Golden_Jet]

They will start like that (as he said) until he likes something better .. which could be 2:00 minutes into camp.

Oh you will see different on the road at times for sure

 

[NyQuil]

It's nice to really have some depth in the bottom six.

A few of those guys can do spot duty in the top six if need be, Pinto maybe included.

 

[Golden_Jet]

DJ did mention they likely will shake things up and at some point try Giroux wth Norris and Tkachuk to add a pure playmaker to that line.

Also if things aren’t going well in a game , DJ will flip the left or right side wingers, or flip the wingers centres , to mix it up

 

[Ice-Tray]

Yeah we have a ton of options!

 

[dumbdick]

I watched a tonne of UND games when Pinto was there. This guy is going to be like Ryan O'Reilly or Patrice Bergeron. Future 1C team captain somewhere. I truly believe that. Best two-way player we've had since Alfie.

 

[Cosmix]

Yeah we have a ton of options!

Coaches do change the lines quite often when the lines are not doing the job, either scoring goals or stopping goals against, or needing to get a goal late in the game, or whatever. Makes sense to me.

Its so nice to have better quality forwards on the roster. I am looking forward to the training camp and pre-season games.

 

[Cosmix]

This ain't your Daddy's Pinto

My old Mercury Bobcat (a cousin of the Ford Pinto) was a beast with rusted doors that flapped in the wind! Worst vehicle I ever owned. But those were the days of low income and young family.

 

[Samsquanch]

This is why they should put a playmaker with Pinto, he is too good for the 3rd line & will become another point producing forward. Joseph played really well with Tkachuk & Norris last yr, start Batherson on the 3rd line & they will have three great lines. Formenton was just starting to break out last yr too & we saw what Pinto can do, those three could be great together. DeBrincat, Giroux or Batherson, place any one of thise three on Pinto's line & they will create three very good scorin lines IMO.

Normally I would agree that we have the firepower available to create 3 legitimate scoring lines, and that balancing out the offense is a better strategy than loading up one or two lines.

But I dont think Ive ever seen a better, more natural fit for every player (on paper) than the Senators current projected top 9 lineup. Its a thing of beauty.

Pinto might end up proving that Formenton and Joseph are holding him back - but thats a good thing. Thats what ends up happening on the best teams. And Joesph and Formenton are both north/south driven speed demons, and Pinto plays the same straight forward kind of game himself. So I really think hes going to be right at home with those two on his wings to start his career.

Maybe in a year or two we move Giroux down with him to give him someone with vision that can get the most out of his shot (Joseph and Batherson play the top RW spots), and the Greig bumps Formy down to the 4th. But for today I think we have to stick with the obvious and see how it goes.

 

[JD1]

Normally I would agree that we have the firepower available to create 3 legitimate scoring lines, and that balancing out the offense is a better strategy than loading up one or two lines.

But I dont think Ive ever seen a better, more natural fit for every player (on paper) than the Senators current projected top 9 lineup. Its a thing of beauty.

Pinto might end up proving that Formenton and Joseph are holding him back - but thats a good thing. Thats what ends up happening on the best teams. And Joesph and Formenton are both north/south driven speed demons, and Pinto plays the same straight forward kind of game himself. So I really think hes going to be right at home with those two on his wings to start his career.

Maybe in a year or two we move Giroux down with him to give him someone with vision that can get the most out of his shot (Joseph and Batherson play the top RW spots), and the Greig bumps Formy down to the 4th. But for today I think we have to stick with the obvious and see how it goes.

I think the big question might be Formenton and Joseph's willingness to play shut down hockey. If both will 100% buy in to that, I think the line can be very effective and free up our top 6 from playing against other top lines.

But it might be hard for a guy like Formenton to buy in to that. He had 18 goals last year. If used in an offensive role and he pots 25+ for two years, he's looking at a huge contract. As a shutdown guy getting say 15, that will cost him millions and some guys can get disgruntled

 

[Tuna99]

Pinto was our best forward and maybe best player (Chabot) in the games he played last season. He was our best Center.

He’s going to be an impact player for us next season. On the PK, shut down and 2 way play he’ll be our best player. Pinto is the best 2 way Center we’ve had since Miker Fisher and by game 20 he’ll be better then Mike Fisher was at his peak (which was in the conversation for best 2 way C in the game and a guy who got Selke votes every year)

 

[Golden_Jet]

Pinto was our best forward and maybe best player (Chabot) in the games he played last season. He was our best Center.

He’s going to be an impact player for us next season. On the PK, shut down and 2 way play he’ll be our best player. Pinto is the best 2 way Center we’ve had since Miker Fisher and by game 20 he’ll be better then Mike Fisher was at his peak (which was in the conversation for best 2 way C in the game and a guy who got Selke votes every year)

I agree with the 2 way part, but not sure about best forward last year in the 5 games, he started slow, had one assist in the 5 games.

 

[Sweatred]

I think the big question might be Formenton and Joseph's willingness to play shut down hockey. If both will 100% buy in to that, I think the line can be very effective and free up our top 6 from playing against other top lines.

But it might be hard for a guy like Formenton to buy in to that. He had 18 goals last year. If used in an offensive role and he pots 25+ for two years, he's looking at a huge contract. As a shutdown guy getting say 15, that will cost him millions and some guys can get disgruntled

I haven’t seen a sliver of elite shut down hockey out of Formy. He played the entire year trying to pad his goal stats. No wonder there are rumours DJ isn’t happy with his game.

1. Would he choose to buy in?
2. Is he capable of playing hard hockey in the NHL.

He’s got two elite scorers ahead of him on the left side and his replacement waiting in Belleville if he doesn’t want to play DJ hockey.

Hopefully Pinto can drag Formy into the type of game we need from him.

 

[DJB]

I really love this kid. I think big things are on the horizon with him

 

[Tuna99]

I agree with the 2 way part, but not sure about best forward last year in the 5 games, he started slow, had one assist in the 5 games.

The points weren’t there, but I see Pinto carry the puck through central ice better then anyone on our team not named Tim.

Just his ability to control the puck in busy areas is the best on the team. It’s why I have him so highly rated

 

[Bevans]

I think the big question might be Formenton and Joseph's willingness to play shut down hockey. If both will 100% buy in to that, I think the line can be very effective and free up our top 6 from playing against other top lines.

But it might be hard for a guy like Formenton to buy in to that. He had 18 goals last year. If used in an offensive role and he pots 25+ for two years, he's looking at a huge contract. As a shutdown guy getting say 15, that will cost him millions and some guys can get disgruntled

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[OD99]

I think the big question might be Formenton and Joseph's willingness to play shut down hockey. If both will 100% buy in to that, I think the line can be very effective and free up our top 6 from playing against other top lines.

But it might be hard for a guy like Formenton to buy in to that. He had 18 goals last year. If used in an offensive role and he pots 25+ for two years, he's looking at a huge contract. As a shutdown guy getting say 15, that will cost him millions and some guys can get disgruntled

I would be shocked if the expectation for that group was to shut teams down as that isn't the makeup of the line. At least if you mean it in a traditional sense.

A young LW, rookie C and then an emerging veteran RW who also isn't noted as a defensive player is not what you should hope is a shutdown line. That is setting them up to fail.

Formenton and Joseph can be high-end forecheckers and have the speed to put a lot of back pressure on when supporting the D while Pinto is very cerebral and smart while naturally effective in all zones.

If anything that line should be set up to put pressure on, forecheck and keep the puck in offensive zone while also creating breakaways and rush chances due to their speed.

Our opponents will have to worry about them while also trying to handle our top 6.

Trying to put any of them down for not being elite defenders at this stage is outrageous and misses the mark of what makes them NHL players.

That said, I can see Pinto as a perennial Selke nominee in the next few years.

 

[Cosmix]

Normally I would agree that we have the firepower available to create 3 legitimate scoring lines, and that balancing out the offense is a better strategy than loading up one or two lines.

But I dont think Ive ever seen a better, more natural fit for every player (on paper) than the Senators current projected top 9 lineup. Its a thing of beauty.

Pinto might end up proving that Formenton and Joseph are holding him back - but thats a good thing. Thats what ends up happening on the best teams. And Joesph and Formenton are both north/south driven speed demons, and Pinto plays the same straight forward kind of game himself. So I really think hes going to be right at home with those two on his wings to start his career.

Maybe in a year or two we move Giroux down with him to give him someone with vision that can get the most out of his shot (Joseph and Batherson play the top RW spots), and the Greig bumps Formy down to the 4th. But for today I think we have to stick with the obvious and see how it goes.

I do not think Formenton will get downgraded to the 4th line. I think he may go up to the 2nd line on this or another team.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I would be shocked if the expectation for that group was to shut teams down as that isn't the makeup of the line. At least if you mean it in a traditional sense.

A young LW, rookie C and then an emerging veteran RW who also isn't noted as a defensive player is not what you should hope is a shutdown line. That is setting them up to fail.

Formenton and Joseph can be high-end forecheckers and have the speed to put a lot of back pressure on when supporting the D while Pinto is very cerebral and smart while naturally effective in all zones.

If anything that line should be set up to put pressure on, forecheck and keep the puck in offensive zone while also creating breakaways and rush chances due to their speed.

Our opponents will have to worry about them while also trying to handle our top 6.

Trying to put any of them down for not being elite defenders at this stage is outrageous and misses the mark of what makes them NHL players.

That said, I can see Pinto as a perennial Selke nominee in the next few years.

Maybe don’t be shocked, Joseph said this week on a podcast ,last year he was first or second unit PK all year in TB, and takes pride in it, and they were talking about possibly him and Formenton as a pair.

 

[OD99]

Maybe don’t be shocked, Joseph said this week on a podcast ,last year he was first or second unit PK all year in TB, and takes pride in it, and they were talking about possibly him and Formenton as a pair.

I'm not shocked at all as I watch every Senators game so I know well about Formenton and already knew Joseph was on the PK in Tbay.

Do you think being on the PK means you are a shutdown defensive player 5-5? If so you may want to rethink that.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I'm not shocked at all as I watch every Senators game so I know well about Formenton and already knew Joseph was on the PK in Tbay.

Do you think being on the PK means you are a shutdown defensive player 5-5? If so you may want to rethink that.

I don’t need to rethink that, there’s a better chance a PKer being a defensive player, than a non PKer, just sayin.

 

[JD1]

I would be shocked if the expectation for that group was to shut teams down as that isn't the makeup of the line. At least if you mean it in a traditional sense.

A young LW, rookie C and then an emerging veteran RW who also isn't noted as a defensive player is not what you should hope is a shutdown line. That is setting them up to fail.

Formenton and Joseph can be high-end forecheckers and have the speed to put a lot of back pressure on when supporting the D while Pinto is very cerebral and smart while naturally effective in all zones.

If anything that line should be set up to put pressure on, forecheck and keep the puck in offensive zone while also creating breakaways and rush chances due to their speed.

Our opponents will have to worry about them while also trying to handle our top 6.

Trying to put any of them down for not being elite defenders at this stage is outrageous and misses the mark of what makes them NHL players.

That said, I can see Pinto as a perennial Selke nominee in the next few years.

I'll be shocked if they don't try to develop that line to do that. The speed on the wings is significant and Pinto looks to be a very strong, larger bodies centre that will do well on draws.

If they can get that line engaged and effective in that role it is a best case scenario for the team

 

[OD99]

I don’t need to rethink that, there’s a better chance a PKer being a defensive player, than a non PKer, just sayin.

You can just say as many things as you like.

Reality is PK is for different than 5v5 checking unless you want the other team in your end for the entire shift or your F just ice the puck.

Is Marner on the checking line? Just sayin

I'll be shocked if they don't try to develop that line to do that. The speed on the wings is significant and Pinto looks to be a very strong, larger bodies centre that will do well on draws.

If they can get that line engaged and effective in that role it is a best case scenario for the team

Like I said if you mean traditional, watch/shadow the other guys and sacrifice scoring I disagree completely.

The strength of that line will be to create chances off the rush/stretch the ice and have a hard and heavy forecheck. If having the puck in the other end is considered checking then we agree.