Player Discussion Shane Pinto (C) - PART 2

[Samsquanch]

Stylistically I see some Bergeron in him. Nothing fancy good shot good hockey IQ. He clearly isn't Bergeron but I do see some similarities.

Bergeron is the perfect comparison to me on so many levels. The similarities between then run very deep.

Like PB, I feel like Pinto should not ever be asked to carry a top 6 line offensively by themselves - because that line would struggle to find consistency. But with the right dynamic wingers flanking him. he could still absolute be center of the "top" line on a dominant team. And even with a 20pt gap between him and his higher scoring linemates - the argument can still be made that hes the most valuable player on his line.

 

[Masked]

We can keep digging but that Backes comp is good. A lesser Patrice Bergeron is another good comparison but edge goes to the Backes one IMO

I'd go with Ryan O'Reilly more than Bergeron. Bergeron seems to be the go to comparison for any player that excels in the defensive aspect and you hope becomes a strong offensive player as well.

Assen na yo!

 

[bert]

Bergeron is the perfect comparison to me on so many levels. The similarities between then run very deep.

Like PB, I feel like Pinto should not ever be asked to carry a top 6 line offensively by themselves - because that line would struggle to find consistency. But with the right dynamic wingers flanking him. he could still absolute be center of the "top" line on a dominant team. And even with a 20pt gap between him and his higher scoring linemates - the argument can still be made that hes the most valuable player on his line.

Bingo, couldnt have said it any better.

I'd go with Ryan O'Reilly more than Bergeron. Bergeron seems to be the go to comparison for any player that excels in the defensive aspect and you hope becomes a strong offensive player as well.

Assen na yo!

O'Rielly is more of a dangler and not as good a shot, he is fancier, I dont see it. Bergeron like Pinto is a righty that keeps his blade open and has a good one timer, no fancy parts to either of their games. Always on the right side of the puck. Again i would like to reiterate I dont think Pinto is going to be anywhere close to Bergeron I just see alot of similarities stylistically. They can play within themselves and would be a good stablizer for a high skill winger. Thats why I like Pinto with Stuetzle so much. Backes is more of a power player than Pinto in my opinion, a flat out much bigger man that has more of a mean streak.

 

[Samsquanch]

O'Rielly is more of a dangler and not as good a shot, he is fancier, I dont see it. Bergeron like Pinto is a righty that keeps his blade open and has a good one timer, no fancy parts to either of their games. Always on the right side of the puck. Again i would like to reiterate I dont think Pinto is going to be anywhere close to Bergeron I just see alot of similarities stylistically. They can play within themselves and would be a good stablizer for a high skill winger. Thats why I like Pinto with Stuetzle so much. Backes is more of a power player than Pinto in my opinion, a flat out much bigger man that has more of a mean streak.

This is 100% true.

I dont like the PB comparison just because Pinto is a fellow two-way center. Like you mentioned above - there are a LOT of similarities in their games that go well beyond the surface level stuff. These guys are seriously wired and built the same way underneath the hood.

I dont think people realize just how damn un-flashy Bergeron's game is. Thats not a bad thing or to say that you wont notice the impact that hes making out there - hes in the opponents face all night. But this is a player that will take the shot on goal over making the extra (fancy) pass 9/10 times in the O-zone. And not generally the go-to-guy to carry the puck up the ice on his line.

And I agree that PB looks like a HHoF lock and perhaps the best player (overall career) from the legendary 2003 draft - so its just plain wrong to expect Pinto to reach that level himself. But having said that, I dont think PB's peak (a slightly below PPG selke trophy winner) is significantly higher than Pintos. Or in other words, I can see a 60-70pt peak season for Pinto, and he might even find himself in the Selke talks one day.

 

[Xspyrit]

Bergeron is the perfect comparison to me on so many levels. The similarities between then run very deep.

Like PB, I feel like Pinto should not ever be asked to carry a top 6 line offensively by themselves - because that line would struggle to find consistency. But with the right dynamic wingers flanking him. he could still absolute be center of the "top" line on a dominant team. And even with a 20pt gap between him and his higher scoring linemates - the argument can still be made that hes the most valuable player on his line.

Stutzle-Pinto-Greig

Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak with wingers reversed

AINEC!

I'd go with Ryan O'Reilly more than Bergeron. Bergeron seems to be the go to comparison for any player that excels in the defensive aspect and you hope becomes a strong offensive player as well.

Assen na yo!

Ryan O'Reilly not a bad comparison as well but he reached another level with the Blues, a level that might be hard to reach for Pinto. However, the COL/BUF version, why not? There's similarities but don't think they'll be that similar stylistically in the offensive zone (if that makes any sense lol)

AINEC!

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Mendes: The AHL could do wonders for Shane Pinto's development

 

[Carrie Underwood]

Pinto reminds me a poor man's peak Toews. I might be completely wrong

 

[Icelevel]

Shane Pinto now has the very tough job of beating out Chris Tierney.

No free tickets

 

[supsens]

Pinto reminds me a poor man's peak Toews. I might be completely wrong

Madano

 

[Golden_Jet]

Madano

Modano , didn’t want to play Defense , I don’t see the comparison, Great on offence though

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Modano , didn’t want to play Defense , I don’t see the comparison, Great on offence though

Agreed. Plus Modano was an elite skater. One of the very best in his time. Pinto is not a bad skater but he won't ever be on Modano's level.

If we're going all the way back to the 1988 draft, Trevor Linden might be a better stylistic comparison for Pinto.

 

[supsens]

Modano , didn’t want to play Defense , I don’t see the comparison, Great on offence though

Selke runner up and voted in the top 6 four times, he was great at playing D

 

[Xspyrit]

David Backes/Patrice Bergeron hybrid!

 

[Golden_Jet]

Selke runner up and voted in the top 6 four times, he was great at playing D

Ya that happened in his 30’s, before that he only cared about offence.

 

[supsens]

Ya that happened in his 30’s, before that he only cared about offence.

That does not change anything, I didn’t say madano from age 22-27 or anything like that.
Tall silky smooth defensive center with some offensive skills.

 

[Golden_Jet]

That does not change anything, I didn’t say madano from age 22-27 or anything like that.
Tall silky smooth defensive center with some offensive skills.

It does , your comparing at player who. became defensive in his 30’s to someone at 20 years old.
At age 20 , they are nearly opposites.

 

[supsens]

It does , your comparing at player who. became defensive in his 30’s to someone at 20 years old.
At age 20 , they are nearly opposites.

Or you could just admit Madano was a fantastic defensive player instead of making up some weird age rules to “win”
I don’t remember saying a young Madano so how about we not pretend I did

 

[TheDebater]

Or you could just admit Madano was a fantastic defensive player instead of making up some weird age rules to “win”

Don Cherry, is that you?

I may have mentioned this before about Pinto but he does remind me of a prime Mike Richards (Philadelphia days). Not sure what ended up happening to that guy but he was really good for a while during his time there.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Or you could just admit Madano was a fantastic defensive player instead of making up some weird age rules to “win”
I don’t remember saying a young Madano so how about we not pretend I did

Lol, yes he was good at 30+, when Hitchcock made him play that way. Chow.

 

[Micklebot]

Ya that happened in his 30’s, before that he only cared about offence.

He finished 4th in Selke votes at 26 yrs old, hard to imagine he only cared about Offence playing under Hitch...

 

[TheDebater]

He finished 4th in Selke votes at 26 yrs old, hard to imagine he only cared about Offence playing under Hitch...

26, 28, 30, what difference does it make? His argument is that Pinto at 20 is better defensively than Modano at 20, not Modano at 25+.

If Pinto continues to play this style as full-time NHL'er and puts up points, he will be a Selke nominee before the age of 24.

 

[Micklebot]

26, 28, 30, what difference does it make? His argument is that Pinto at 20 is better defensively than Modano at 20, not Modano at 25+.

If Pinto continues to play this style as full-time NHL'er and puts up points, he will be a Selke nominee before the age of 24.

Hold on a second, that's not really how this played out.

Somebody suggested Pinto was a poor man's peak Toews, another poster replied simply with "Modano". To that, he responded Modano didn't want to play defense. the goalposts got moved to, well he never played D till his thirties, to which I showed he was already viewed as a guy worth giving a selke vote at 26. Is Pinto better defensively than 20 year old Modano, perhaps, but the initial comparison was never intended to be that of Prospect Modano vs prospect Pinto.

 

[TheDebater]

Hold on a second, that's not really how this played out.

Somebody suggested Pinto was a poor man's peak Toews, another poster replied simply with "Modano". To that, he responded Modano didn't want to play defense. the goalposts got moved to, well he never played D till his thirties, to which I showed he was already viewed as a guy worth giving a selke vote at 26. Is Pinto better defensively than 20 year old Modano, perhaps, but the initial comparison was never intended to be that of Prospect Modano vs prospect Pinto.

Ah, fair enough, to be honest I lost track of what was actually being debated until the last few posts that I read.

 

[OD99]

I stand by my super disruptive comparison to Wheeler...

Don't see Modano at all...that guy was electric immediately and Pinto is not that flashy...more methodical.

 

[Bevans]

I stand by my super disruptive comparison to Wheeler...

Don't see Modano at all...that guy was electric immediately and Pinto is not that flashy...more methodical.

His one timer is pretty flashy as far as I'm concerned.