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Relapsing said:
I don't disagree with what you're saying. Yes, the perception of rigging games would sink the league.

It is also fair to state that intent to injure plays have received less suspension time.

To be clear, the NHL as of today is prioritizing the punishment of a player for a gambling related infraction, over the actions of a player that were taken to knowingly injure another player, thereby removing them from active play and ultimately affecting the outcome of games.

It is this prioritization I largely take issue with.

Beyond that, there's the notable discrepancy in how the NHL tried to dissuade certain player actions. The league actively relies on minor monetary fines and single digit game suspensions for a number of unwanted actions. But this requires a heavier hand?

IDK man. Maybe I'm off base here, but plays that injure players, and increase the odds of someone losing their quality of life and ability to earn money, is to me a much bigger issue - both in perception and in actual consequences - than sports betting related infractions.
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Hitting is part of the hockey and players are aware of the risks of long term injuries, or in in worst case even paralysis or death. Most injuries happen by accident, and when/if there's intent that's gonna be hard to prove unless is blatantly obvious like Chris Simon doing a two-handed swing with his stick in an opposing player's face.

But any accidental hit, or any hit where intent can't be proven, isn't going to hurt the league. If it did, hitting would have been banned in the NHL already a long time ago.

If players were caught betting on their own games however, that's something that, if it would happen enough times, could more or less kill the league. That's about the only thing that could make me stop watching hockey and sports altogether. Might as well watch reality tv at that point.
 
I don't understand how he's suspended bit didn't bet on NHL games.

Does anyone know where to find a copy of their gambling policy?

Edit: maybe he was in a hockey pool, so he bet on players technically rather than games?
 
Elvs said:
Hitting is part of the hockey and players are aware of the risks of long term injuries, or in in worst case even paralysis or death. Most injuries happen by accident, and when/if there's intent that's gonna be hard to prove unless is blatantly obvious like Chris Simon doing a two-handed swing with his stick in an opposing player's face.

But any accidental hit, or any hit where intent can't be proven, isn't going to hurt the league. If it did, hitting would have been banned in the NHL already a long time ago.

If players were caught betting on their own games however, that's something that, if it would happen enough times, could more or less kill the league. That's about the only thing that could make me stop watching hockey and sports altogether. Might as well watch reality tv at that point.
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Maybe I wasn't clear, so I'll use a couple of examples off the longest suspensions in NHL history list.

Torres - suspended 41 games for a predatory blow on Silfverberg. Torres had previously 9 previous supplemental disciplines so they really came down on him.

Bertuzzi - 33 games for breaking Steve moores neck. Clear intent to injur. Match penalty assessed. Moore never played again

Simon - 30 games for intentionally stomping on Ruutu's leg. Intent to injure match penalty assessed.

Simon - 25 games for two hand stick chop to the face of Hollweg. Intent to play match penalty assessed.

Boulerice - 25 games for cross checking Kesler directly in the head. Match penalty assessed.

McSorley - 23 games for what we all know he did.

I was clearly speaking to intent to injure plays, not incidental injuries that occur during the normal course of play.

Additionally, this is not a situation where the player was betting on, and directly influencing the outcome of a hockey game. That's a theoretical situation that does not apply to the point I'm making. I don't however disagree that this would be a legitimacy issue for the NHL if it were to happen.

That Pinto was assessed more than anyone on this list not named Torres is frankly inexcusable.
 
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Whatever it was exactly will leak out because the NHLPA will put something out internally so that more players don't do the same thing. It's just a matter of time before it becomes known just exactly what happened.

I'm actually surprised they were able to keep it quiet as long as they did.
 
No way he stays with the sens now. They blueballed him on his contract because the sens could and gave him so much time on his hands that he went and did this. His own volition and personal accountability and all that but I can't imagine he's doing this if he's preparing for camp, getting ready with a contract.

If he betted on preseason and reg season then ya, probably if was playing he wouldn't be especially since he's gambling most likely in the US if he is still back home.

A whole series of unfortunate events that a player would want to move on from his current team just to be done with it.
 
Kane's next victim???

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ItWasJustified said:
Surely not this? Who could've predicted that having 1000 gambling ads thrown into everybody's faces every time you watch sports would eventually lead to people gambling and of course, gambling has NEVER ruin lives...
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Yeah because no professional athlete or person ever gambled before these ads. Have you ever spent time around professional athletes? Majority of them are constantly gambling amongst themselves.

I get the rules, betting sites want regular people to think people with inside information aren't beating them and I get the NHL's viewpoint on players sports betting and that it's much easier to just ban it so there's no gray area and it's just black and shite. But it just seems ridiculous that a player can blow his 150k cheque at the blackjack table after a game but can't bet on sports games.

Disclaimer: I have no idea what Pinto was actually betting on or what he did. But inside information has always been a factor in sports betting and is something that's been happening for a century, imo as long as they aren't playing in the game or doing something to produce an outcome who really cares.
 
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lettuceAA said:
Yeah because no professional athlete or person ever gambled before these ads. Have you ever spent time around professional athletes? Majority of them are constantly gambling amongst themselves.

I get the rules, betting sites want regular people to think people with inside information aren't beating them and I get the NHL's viewpoint on players sports betting and that it's much easier to just ban it so there's no gray area and it's just black and shite. But it just seems ridiculous that a player can blow his 150k cheque at the blackjack table after a game but can't bet on sports games.

Disclaimer: I have no idea what Pinto was actually betting on or what he did. But inside information has always been a factor in sports betting and is something that's been happening for a century, imo as long as they aren't playing in the game or doing something to produce an outcome who really cares.
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insider trading is insider trading!!

whether thats sports gambling or Wall Street.. its illegal!
 
Gabe Kupari said:
He probably wasn't aware or because he legit felt sorry and issued a legit apology knows that maybe just maybe he did f*** up? It's probably something In nhl contracts, he probably didn't read it, maybe his agent didn't either... yes it's just gambling but, the optics of pro players betting on games is bad and that's what it comes down to.
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I don't get why.

Unless he posts saying he won a bunch, then people might get upset.

I mean, the players drink and smoke. Those optics would be worse.

If he was betting on Sens games while playing for them then yeah that's an issue.

This shouldn't be, but it's the NHL.
 
lettuceAA said:
Yeah because no professional athlete or person ever gambled before these ads. Have you ever spent time around professional athletes? Majority of them are constantly gambling amongst themselves.

I get the rules, betting sites want regular people to think people with inside information aren't beating them and I get the NHL's viewpoint on players sports betting and that it's much easier to just ban it so there's no gray area and it's just black and shite. But it just seems ridiculous that a player can blow his 150k cheque at the blackjack table after a game but can't bet on sports games.

Disclaimer: I have no idea what Pinto was actually betting on or what he did. But inside information has always been a factor in sports betting and is something that's been happening for a century, imo as long as they aren't playing in the game or doing something to produce an outcome who really cares.
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Obviously the NHL? 41 games is pretty steep and seems like there is more to the story.
 
After watching Bruce Garrioch on TSN, what I think happened here was betting on NHL games occurred on an online betting account registered to Pinto. It was flagged and investigated. My guess here is Pinto denied placing the bets himself instead blaming a friend or family member who had access to the account. The NHL bought his story and suspended him for 41 games for being stupid enough to allow someone else access to his account. Had they not bought it they suspend him for life similar to what mlb did with Pete Rose.
 
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Tob said:
No way he stays with the sens now. They blueballed him on his contract because the sens could and gave him so much time on his hands that he went and did this. His own volition and personal accountability and all that but I can't imagine he's doing this if he's preparing for camp, getting ready with a contract.

If he betted on preseason and reg season then ya, probably if was playing he wouldn't be especially since he's gambling most likely in the US if he is still back home.

A whole series of unfortunate events that a player would want to move on from his current team just to be done with it.
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Lol

Missed the whole part where this investigation is what held up Pinto getting signed eh?
 
According to multiple sources, one of the major issues leading to Pinto’s penalty was along the lines of “proxy betting,” where another individual or individuals have access to a legal account in his name. Companies like FanDuel specifically ban this practice. The state of New Jersey fined DraftKings $150,000 in March 2022 for allowing large (and illegal) proxy bets.

It’s not uncommon for pro athletes to have legal accounts, which are heavily monitored by the online site they sign up with. It’s in these companies' best interests to know if the players are in any way compromised. What could have complicated Pinto’s situation is where his account is based. He’s from New York State, and, for example, if a friend placed bets on a day the Senators were in Ottawa, it would be easily discoverable.

 
Relapsing said:
Maybe I wasn't clear, so I'll use a couple of examples off the longest suspensions in NHL history list.

Torres - suspended 41 games for a predatory blow on Silfverberg. Torres had previously 9 previous supplemental disciplines so they really came down on him.

Bertuzzi - 33 games for breaking Steve moores neck. Clear intent to injur. Match penalty assessed. Moore never played again

Simon - 30 games for intentionally stomping on Ruutu's leg. Intent to injure match penalty assessed.

Simon - 25 games for two hand stick chop to the face of Hollweg. Intent to play match penalty assessed.

Boulerice - 25 games for cross checking Kesler directly in the head. Match penalty assessed.

McSorley - 23 games for what we all know he did.

I was clearly speaking to intent to injure plays, not incidental injuries that occur during the normal course of play.

Additionally, this is not a situation where the player was betting on, and directly influencing the outcome of a hockey game. That's a theoretical situation that does not apply to the point I'm making. I don't however disagree that this would be a legitimacy issue for the NHL if it were to happen.

That Pinto was assessed more than anyone on this list not named Torres is frankly inexcusable.
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I don't disagree, but you're using examples from 15-25 years ago. The league was, and still is, too soft with their punishments. Those instances would still not get the punishments they deserve in today's league, but I think they would result in a few more games at least. I feel like the Torres hit, which is the most recent one, kinda points to that. And even that hit is nearly ten years ago now.

I feel like the issue is the league doesn't wanna suspend it's star players. I'm sure they'd have no issue suspending a plug like Boulerice for a longer time, if it wasn't for that the fact they would have to hand out a hefty suspension to McDavid also should he cross the line. Don't get me wrong, the league's punishments are still wildly inconsistant, but by limiting suspensions to 20 games for a scrub, they can get away with suspending star players for just 5 games. They couldn't do that if they'd suspend a plug for a full season.
 
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