Shane Pinto being suspended 41 games for sports gambling

[Honour Over Glory]

I don’t think you know what ‘integrity of the game’ means.

It means integrity of the competition itself, it means that we can all watch the games and not suspect that players or refs or anyone else is trying to influence the game in any way other than to try to win for their team or to call a game fairly.

It doesn’t mean allowing terrible people to play.

NHL Officiating alone has dumped on the integrity of the game for what we know now after reading about what retired officials have talked about or the officials that have been fired.

Integrity doesn't need to be beholden to just that aspect of the game. The NHL has never had integrity so to say anything has tarnished it is mostly a bunch of wankers with fists raised in their talking about a great sport being ruined while at the same time ignoring all of the ignorant things the league has done as well.

Gambling in various sports is taken seriously over actual criminal acts. If you think that doesn't hurt integrity to a sport when you allow individuals like that in the leagues vs just a bloke that makes unsavoury bets, well then...

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

Shane, I know you're bored, but find a better hobby.

 

[CherryToke]

The irony of the NHL promoting gambling to its viewers and then suspending a player for gambling lul

 

[Saga of the Elk]

NHL Officiating alone has dumped on the integrity of the game for what we know now after reading about what retired officials have talked about or the officials that have been fired.

Integrity doesn't need to be beholden to just that aspect of the game. The NHL has never had integrity so to say anything has tarnished it is mostly a bunch of wankers with fists raised in their talking about a great sport being ruined while at the same time ignoring all of the ignorant things the league has done as well.

Gambling in various sports is taken seriously over actual criminal acts. If you think that doesn't hurt integrity to a sport when you allow individuals like that in the leagues vs just a bloke that makes unsavoury bets, well then...

College football is filthy when it comes to coaches making sure lines are achieved. Yet it only continues to grow in popularity and revenue. The NHL wants its games clean but it especially doesn't want its gambling partners -- its revenues -- affected by something like this. So Pinto, who as far as we know put $5 on the WNBA based on something he heard at warmups, gets the same punishment as Slava Voynov.

The league can and should clarify and we all know it won't -- likely because the facts make the gambling corporations who prey on the weak look even uglier than they are.

 

[Relapsing]

Out of everything surrounding this story, what bothers me most is that in the eyes of the NHL, this is more egregious than almost every other suspension that can or has been levied against on-ice play.

That's f***ed up.

 

[Micklebot]

For starters, Pinto can't sign at game 42 as that would be after the December 1st cutoff date for RFA's to sign.

Usually in the case of these off-ice suspensions games missed because the player is not signed to a contract will be counted towards the 42 game suspension. The league would presumably use some formula to determine how many days = 42 games. For example, 82 games in a 192 day season = 2.34 days/game. So 42 games would equate to a 99 day suspension.

Apparently that doesn't apply because he's not group 2 according to Lebrun (or was it Freidman)

First I ever heard it didn't apply to 10.2(c) but that's what was said.

Also, in the Sens statement, they said that when the time is right, they would welcome Pinto back provided the NHL gave them their blessing, which makes it sound like they aren't going to sign him any time soon...

 

[Strangle]

NHL Officiating alone has dumped on the integrity of the game for what we know now after reading about what retired officials have talked about or the officials that have been fired.

Integrity doesn't need to be beholden to just that aspect of the game. The NHL has never had integrity so to say anything has tarnished it is mostly a bunch of wankers with fists raised in their talking about a great sport being ruined while at the same time ignoring all of the ignorant things the league has done as well.

Gambling in various sports is taken seriously over actual criminal acts. If you think that doesn't hurt integrity to a sport when you allow individuals like that in the leagues vs just a bloke that makes unsavoury bets, well then...

Bad officiating is one thing, you’re reaching on that though. Incompetence is different than purposely trying to tank a game for a bet you made.

Further than that, you’re still confusing what integrity of the game means.

You’re conflating integrity of the league with integrity of the game.

You misunderstood, it’s not the end of the world. Happens to the best of us

 

[mouser]

Apparently that doesn't apply because he's not group 2 according to Lebrun (or was it Freidman)

First I ever heard it didn't apply to 10.2(c) but that's what was said.

Also, in the Sens statement, they said that when the time is right, they would welcome Pinto back provided the NHL gave them their blessing, which makes it sound like they aren't going to sign him any time soon...

Yes, I just double checked that is accurate the Dec 1st deadline only applies to Group 2 RFAs [CBA 10.2(a)]. It does not apply to 10.2(b) RFA Defected Players or 10.2(c) RFA Players without 3 years of professional experience like Pinto.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

NHL Officiating alone has dumped on the integrity of the game for what we know now after reading about what retired officials have talked about or the officials that have been fired.

Integrity doesn't need to be beholden to just that aspect of the game. The NHL has never had integrity so to say anything has tarnished it is mostly a bunch of wankers with fists raised in their talking about a great sport being ruined while at the same time ignoring all of the ignorant things the league has done as well.

Gambling in various sports is taken seriously over actual criminal acts. If you think that doesn't hurt integrity to a sport when you allow individuals like that in the leagues vs just a bloke that makes unsavoury bets, well then...

I said before the announcement was handed down that Pinto would get a harsher punishment than the Blackhawks for covering up sexual assault for a decade.

The NHL truly has its priorities in order. What a circus league. Clear Gary and his empire of dinosaurs out of here.

 

[Jacob]

Friedman said he had a “shared” account through a sports betting app or something.

Which also sounds weird because who would you be sharing it with? Certainly not your buddies.

 

[Sabre the Win]

This would never have happened if Ottawa would have just paid him.

 

[CherryToke]

This would never have happened if Ottawa would have just paid him.

Or if he played for the Blackhawks

 

[Martin Skoula]

Would it? What’s the correlation? Why would they do that?

You know that Rob Ramage once killed someone driving drunk, right? He went to jail too (not for long enough, mind you).

What does any of this have to do with intermission segments?

This has to do with individuals making their individual choices, not all these attempts to blame some external factor, like sponsorships for legal activities. Drinking is legal. Driving drunk is not. Gambling is legal, players can’t bet on NHL games. Pretty simple, right?

If Ron told you to jump off a bridge, would you do it? I’m sure you would.



They would if drinking during the summer was against the NHL’s rules. But the correlation here is wether or not it’s the NHL’s fault accepting alcohol sponsorships on NHL’ers poor decisions when consuming alcohol.

Look it up, it’s been a problem for decades.



Why? What does a sponsorship have to do with your (or anyones) ability to make good decisions or follow the rules?

The NHL actually does suspend people for drinking beer, but they also put them in a substance abuse program.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl-suspends-theoren-fleury-1.325096

This trend of ‘blaming the system’ for things that are under the individuals control is asinine.

This guy wasn’t supposed to bet on NHL games. He bet on NHL games. That has absolutely nothing to do with commercials during intermissions, it has to do with him making stupid decisions.

I get that the ads are annoying (I am kind of happy to not have to watch another pickup truck ad, though), but that has nothing to do with this guy betting on games, and to draw that conclusion is really stupid.

Do you remember this?

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/ex-nhl-coach-tocchet-pleads-guilty-in-gambling-ring-1.646572

Must be the NHL and bet365’s fault, right? Naw.

Grow up, hold people responsible for their actions. Stop making excuses for them. What this guy did is bad. It ruins the integrity of the game.

It’s a conflict of interest in the worst way, same as insider trading. You don’t say it’s the stock markets fault when a politician gets paid $200k a year but has a net worth of $200m dollars after a decade in office, do you?

Alcohol ad: 20 second video of people having fun and then a liquor logo

Alcohol ads if they were like gambling ads: you get a code that makes a free bottle instantly appear in your hands if it’s your first time drinking, for every friend you refer to the free bottle app you get a cut of the money they spend on alcohol + promo bottles. The panel repeatedly tells you how easy getting drunk is and that you can do it anywhere anytime while giving you stats on how much cool stuff you can do if you get lucky with a good buzz. The company also employs teams of stat PhDs studying how to make new people get into alcohol and how to keep existing alcoholics drinking as long as possible with little to no oversight. Then McDavid and Gretzky play a drinking game and see who can chug more.

 

[Czechboy]

He was probably watching NHL games at home and saw 4 trillion gambling ads and got hooked.

How many gambling advertisers does the NHL currently have?

 

[WolfgangPuck]

Gambling is all about timing
Hey Shane
no NHL contract. No problem
Bet on as many NHL games as you want

 

[Edgelord]

Yes, I just double checked that is accurate the Dec 1st deadline only applies to Group 2 RFAs [CBA 10.2(a)]. It does not apply to 10.2(b) RFA Defected Players or 10.2(c) RFA Players without 3 years of professional experience like Pinto.

What would the cap hit look like for a 1 mil deal signed today vs game 42?

 

[Bubbles]

Friedman said he had a “shared” account through a sports betting app or something.

Which also sounds weird because who would you be sharing it with? Certainly not your buddies.

Shared it with Janet Gretzky.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

He was probably watching NHL games at home and saw 4 trillion gambling ads and got hooked.

How many gambling advertisers does the NHL currently have?

True. It's disgusting.

 

[MXD]

Out of everything surrounding this story, what bothers me most is that in the eyes of the NHL, this is more egregious than almost every other suspension that can or has been levied against on-ice play.

That's f***ed up.

Technically, McSorley was longer, but that's mostly on, well, a technicality.
EDIT : I saw later that you wrote "almost".

 

[Svechhammer]

Lol don't anyone try to sell me on the integrity of the game on why this is bad when the league has been openly encouraging game management from refs, which is legitimate manipulation of the games during play, for the better part of 30 years.

 

[JPeeper]

I haven't read all 27 pages, just the first few, but he got 41 games for betting when he never bet on NHL games (based on the NHL's tweet) and someone else brought up that in the CBA they're allowed to bet on other sports (maybe that's wrong?).

That makes no sense why he'd get suspended then.

 

[Strangle]

Alcohol ad: 20 second video of people having fun and then a liquor logo

Alcohol ads if they were like gambling ads: you get a code that makes a free bottle instantly appear in your hands if it’s your first time drinking, for every friend you refer to the free bottle app you get a cut of the money they spend on alcohol + promo bottles. The panel repeatedly tells you how easy getting drunk is and that you can do it anywhere anytime while giving you stats on how much cool stuff you can do if you get lucky with a good buzz. The company also employs teams of stat PhDs studying how to make new people get into alcohol and how to keep existing alcoholics drinking as long as possible with little to no oversight. Then McDavid and Gretzky play a drinking game and see who can chug more.

So gambling isn’t the fault of the gambler, because gambling advertisements are different?

But drinking advertisements they don’t have the same kind of effect on weak willed people.

Right, gotcha. Absolutely genius take. I need to get in on this mind control advertisements that draftkings figured out. Make everyone do my bidding, because that’s the real issue here.

It’s not like the NHL has never suspended anyone for life due to gambling before the sports betting rules were relaxed in Canada.

It was 75 years ago when the NHL first cracked down on gambling after several Boston Bruins players were exposed for betting on their own team. Gallinger, Taylor and Pratt received lifetime bans for their involvement. Pratt’s was lifted after only nine games when he fully confessed to what he had done, whereas Gallinger’s and Taylor’s stood until they were lifted in 1970.

 

[Svechhammer]

Also,



Lol

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

I haven't read all 27 pages, just the first few, but he got 41 games for betting when he never bet on NHL games (based on the NHL's tweet) and someone else brought up that in the CBA they're allowed to bet on other sports (maybe that's wrong?).

That makes no sense why he'd get suspended then.

True, he must have bet on NHL games or been sharing "insider information". Just betting on other sports doesn't cut it.. I mean other players must do it in their free time anyway?

Also,



Lol

Oh man, this is gold.

 

[Metroid]

Did he bet on the Kumite or something?!
100 bucks on Frank Dux!!