Apples to oranges.
Bookies don't like when someone else might bet using insider information they themselves don't yet have.
I see nothing wrong with an NHL player using this information as long as they aren't out there throwing games. Do you?
Shane Pinto being suspended 41 games for sports gambling
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Bookies don't like when someone else might bet using insider information they themselves don't yet have.
I see nothing wrong with an NHL player using this information as long as they aren't out there throwing games. Do you?
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How do you arrive at the bolded from that Tweet?
Proxy Betting which is mentioned, is placing bets on behalf of someone else. Did Pinto give a bank account login or credit card of his to a buddy to place bets with
I'm not sure what information shane pinto of all people or any nhl player could have to gain some huge edge in betting....
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That is emphatically betting on NHL games so long as he stood to gain from the bets -- which the NHL says he didn't do. There's no way their statement is deliberately misleading, right??
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I wish Bettman took protecting the integrity of hockey as seriously as he did protecting the integrity of gambling.
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Dr Jan Itor
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If they're going to suspend somebody for 41 games, they should be explicitly clear on what the violation is. Speculation doesn't do any party any good in this.
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Would it? What’s the correlation? Why would they do that?
You know that Rob Ramage once killed someone driving drunk, right? He went to jail too (not for long enough, mind you).
What does any of this have to do with intermission segments?
This has to do with individuals making their individual choices, not all these attempts to blame some external factor, like sponsorships for legal activities. Drinking is legal. Driving drunk is not. Gambling is legal, players can’t bet on NHL games. Pretty simple, right?
If Ron told you to jump off a bridge, would you do it? I’m sure you would.
They would if drinking during the summer was against the NHL’s rules. But the correlation here is wether or not it’s the NHL’s fault accepting alcohol sponsorships on NHL’ers poor decisions when consuming alcohol.
Look it up, it’s been a problem for decades.
Why? What does a sponsorship have to do with your (or anyones) ability to make good decisions or follow the rules?
The NHL actually does suspend people for drinking beer, but they also put them in a substance abuse program.
This trend of ‘blaming the system’ for things that are under the individuals control is asinine.
This guy wasn’t supposed to bet on NHL games. He bet on NHL games. That has absolutely nothing to do with commercials during intermissions, it has to do with him making stupid decisions.
I get that the ads are annoying (I am kind of happy to not have to watch another pickup truck ad, though), but that has nothing to do with this guy betting on games, and to draw that conclusion is really stupid.
Do you remember this?
Must be the NHL and bet365’s fault, right? Naw.
Grow up, hold people responsible for their actions. Stop making excuses for them. What this guy did is bad. It ruins the integrity of the game.
It’s a conflict of interest in the worst way, same as insider trading. You don’t say it’s the stock markets fault when a politician gets paid $200k a year but has a net worth of $200m dollars after a decade in office, do you?
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The player and PA agreed to this and said this is a result of a settled discussion and they aren't appealing it.
Maybe in part of that agreement, Pinto or the PA doesn't want public direct acknowledging of the offense.
But also, so what? Why is speculation so awful? The league is just settling it as is. Why would speculation be something they want to eliminate? I dont see the value in it for them to care. Yes, fans want transparency, but what's in it for the league?
Suntouchable13
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A wolf would just be acting on its instinct, a human being should know the rules as they are quite clear. A human being should be able to control his/her impulses.
BLONG7
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This.............is so bang on.
WTF Gary, absolute hypocrite ...................can't stand Bettman for this...
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it could maybe provide benefit to the NHL!
by not speaking on specifics, outside Pinto not betting on NHL games, it can keep the lines of whats allowed and not allowed blurred; this would help keep most players away from most sports gambling in general, let alone anything involving the NHL when the parameters are unclear
i happen to prefer leaders (or those in charge) remaining forthcoming and unreserved.. but if the reasons are strategic then i can understand it!
Lol integrity of the game being ruined by betting...
I guess all the other shit doesn't ruin the integrity as much as betting does. Like just a random example - two teams trying to employ Mitchell Miller, you think that hurt the integrity at all?
The fact the NHL cares little to nothing about that until it becomes a big issue when people rightfully say wtf vs gambling is hilarious.
I don't care for gambling at all and find it weird and kind of dumb to constantly see nhl broadcasts openly discussing the betting line etc but their hard line for what's right or wrong and what hurts or stains their integrity is f***ing comical.
JoeSakic13
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Suspension would have been shorter, but they added to it because he bet against the Harlem Globetrotters.
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I believe that is not the case, hence why I made fun of the NHL. Go read the very first post and statement from NHL. No evidence NHL games involved.
So…. back to Gary B’s complete and utter hypocrisy. Gambling is good! Gambling is fun! But if a NHL’er does it…. 41 games. House always wins, right?
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There is no reason the league should have to get into explicit detail. They’ve given enough detail already.
People are just entitled and feel they deserve to know everything. If they only said he broke some vague policy, then that would be unacceptable.
We know it has to do with gambling, that narrows down the speculation significantly. No one is in here speculating that he was selling steroids in the locker room, right?
We don’t need to know all details, we know approximately enough what this was about and how serious it was based on the massive punishment.
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as far as i can tell nhl players are allowed to bet on games other than nhl games.
41 games is a very strict punishment.
the league said they found no evidence that pinto bet on any nhl games. the wording of the announcement said activities relating to sports wagering.
i think he got caught giving out inside information on who is playing etc. but this is just speculation.
41 games is a very strict punishment.
the league said they found no evidence that pinto bet on any nhl games. the wording of the announcement said activities relating to sports wagering.
i think he got caught giving out inside information on who is playing etc. but this is just speculation.
Strangle
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I don’t think you know what ‘integrity of the game’ means.
It means integrity of the competition itself, it means that we can all watch the games and not suspect that players or refs or anyone else is trying to influence the game in any way other than to try to win for their team or to call a game fairly.
It doesn’t mean allowing terrible people to play.
mouser
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For starters, Pinto can't sign at game 42 as that would be after the December 1st cutoff date for RFA's to sign. EDIT: actually the Dec 1st deadline does not apply to Pinto as he is not a Group 2 [10.2(a)] RFA, he's a 10.2(c) RFA.
Usually in the case of these off-ice suspensions games missed because the player is not signed to a contract will be counted towards the 42 game suspension. The league would presumably use some formula to determine how many days = 42 games. For example, 82 games in a 192 day season = 2.34 days/game. So 42 games would equate to a 99 day suspension.
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