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Shane Pinto being suspended 41 games for sports gambling

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old kummelweck said:
Holy f*** does the betting industry have their shit together. It would be fascinating to find out how the bookmaking industry map out betting partners for insiders.
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I believe they can refuse bets from anyone, so basically they can ensure only money losing idiots use their product. I don't know how they caught Pinto, but seems like they maybe were tracking communications from some account that was making too much money and traced it to Pinto?

This is all speculation, but that seems to be the best explanation so far to me.
 
If it wasn't something fairly significant Pinto wouldn't have been apologetic, nor would it have been a serious 41 game suspension. Don't break the policy, you don't get suspended.
 
Atoyot said:
Or beating up a woman in a restaurant. That's only 3 games.
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Lol if you look at the players in the league that have domestic violence or disgusting acts on their resume that are actively playing without issue, sports in general treat gambling worse than beating your wife/gf or committing rape/revenge porn or uttering racial slurs.

Imagine that. And before anyone says well that's not true - it actually is.

I'm baffled why Voynov was treated as harshly as he was when others have done worse and are still in the league - doesn't change what he did and I don't care to ever see him play again but the NHL is a joke and Dumba is right. They're morons that pass this or that rule and never explain it and their ideas of punishment never make any sense.

An entire team can hide and lie about a sexual predator that assaults a minor and is a paedophile as a result of their inaction (not including the assault to their own player) and the punishment is a slap on the wrist, but if you ask a bloke to work out outside of the combine, good lord you get a harsher penalty.

Drop slurs and keep playing in the NHL or keep getting mates to hire you to coach youths because why not.
 
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If I'm reading the tea leaves correctly, it seems like he's getting busted for sharing some type of insider info with a 3rd party source that placed bets that eventually caught the attention of one of the NHL's many, many sports betting "partners" which led to the investigation.

First off, I think I can speak on behalf of everyone that we are all relieved that whichever gambling site he tried to rip off caught him and hopefully recouped their money.

I am curious about what info he could've shared - would have to either something related to injuries and who may or may not suit up for a game that evening or perhaps who the starting goalie was going to be...though they all largely sucked for Ottawa last year anyway. In terms of how much of a difference any of this would make in the outcome of a game...doesn't seem like that much when there are 18 other guys on the ice playing as well and the NHL is rather random as well given fluke bounces, etc. Would also think that there was a pattern that would've emerged over time as well that would've alerted the site...or maybe are prop bets that could be much more influenced by having some of this insider information that I'm not considering.
 
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Poppy Whoa Sonnet said:
I believe they can refuse bets from anyone, so basically they can ensure only money losing idiots use their product. I don't know how they caught Pinto, but seems like they maybe were tracking communications from some account that was making too much money and traced it to Pinto?

This is all speculation, but that seems to be the best explanation so far to me.
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One method would be a requirement for NHL 'insiders' (players, staff, agents) to provide an extensive list of family, friends, acquaintances, etc. But that would be error prone and require self-disclosure: easy for anyone trying to circumvent the system to omit a connection or two for betting purposes.

More likely is there is a service to check on bookmaking, and that service has access to a database of some sort built off of social media friends/connections, and that is normalized against direct marketing profiles that have the real identities of those accounts. After that, there is some regulator or monitoring process at the bookmakers that flags bets that fit a certain pattern.

If they caught him with technology, that technology is absolutely terrifying.
 
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JKG33 said:
The irony of sports betting being tracked for "integrity."

Bookies are the epitome of "rules for thee but not for me."
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Like.... I don't got to some mystical penalty box for 2 minutes for tripping someone while walking down the street.

Yes, there are rules that apply to NHL players that don't apply to every other people.
 
HBK27 said:
If I'm reading the tea leaves correctly, it seems like he's getting busted for sharing some type of insider info with a 3rd party source that placed bets that eventually caught the attention of one of the NHL's many, many sports betting "partners" which led to the investigation.

First off, I think I can speak on behalf of everyone that we are all relieved that whichever gambling site he tried to rip off caught him and hopefully recouped their money.

I am curious about what info he could've shared - would have to either something related to injuries and who may or may not suit up for a game that evening or perhaps who the starting goalie was going to be...though they all largely sucked for Ottawa last year anyway. In terms of how much of a difference any of this would make in the outcome of a game...doesn't seem like that much when there are 18 other guys on the ice playing as well and the NHL is rather random as well given fluke bounces, etc. Would also think that there was a pattern that would've emerged over time as well that would've alerted the site...or maybe are prop bets that could be much more influenced by having some of this insider information that I'm not considering.
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Ehhhh how about f***ing NO on the bolded?
 
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Slats432 said:
If it wasn't something fairly significant Pinto wouldn't have been apologetic, nor would it have been a serious 41 game suspension. Don't break the policy, you don't get suspended.
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You don't know what the policy says, and it wouldn't be shocking if Shane Pinto didn't know either. Again, this could be betting on the WNBA finals, it could be betting on who wins the faceoff at the Heritage Classic, it could be telling a girlfriend to make an NHL bet -- although betting on individual hockey games is a loser's prop -- and it could be betting on North Dakota football. It is, according to them, NOT betting on NHL games -- which would be bad. The NHL is run by idiots who don't seem to understand that more information is better when you're trying to avoid looking like idiots.
 
izlez said:
Like.... I don't got to some mystical penalty box for 2 minutes for tripping someone while walking down the street.

Yes, there are rules that apply to NHL players that don't apply to every other people.
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That's technically an assault that could be worth significantly more than 2 minutes sitting on a bench.
 
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