Prospect Info: Shakir Mukhamadullin (#20 pick - 2020 draft)

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Triumph

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The pass looked ok to me too, the worst part was Muk looking clueless on the 2 on 1.

I don't see how he looked clueless, he tried to use his long reach to disrupt the play entirely. It might be the wrong thing to do, and if the forward is anticipating that, he will look awful, but I don't think the forward was anticipating that - he made a great move away from Mukhamadullin's reach nevertheless.
 
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The pass looked ok to me too, the worst part was Muk looking clueless on the 2 on 1.
That’s the kind of play that if he makes we’re talking about it being a great poke check/defensive play. I don’t think the play was bad, but the toe-drag was really nice.
 

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He looked clueless, that's my honest take.

He was straight up bad in the first period. I haven't been able to watch the second, but he played a very poor first period. Just moments into the game he gave the puck away behind his own net for a chance against, took a cross checking penalty, then fumbled the puck at the blue line on a PP and looked like Bambi trying to defending the resulting 2 on 1 that ended in the back of his own net.

I won't judge a kid from one period of play, but not getting to see him often, that period was a massive bummer and let down.
 

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He was straight up bad in the first period. I haven't been able to watch the second, but he played a very poor first period. Just moments into the game he gave the puck away behind his own net for a chance against, took a cross checking penalty, then fumbled the puck at the blue line on a PP and looked like Bambi trying to defending the resulting 2 on 1 that ended in the back of his own net.

I won't judge a kid from one period of play, but not getting to see him often, that period was a massive bummer and let down.
I was going to try to find a way to stream it, glad I didn't waste my time. I'm sure he'll rebound, sounds like it sounds like his first bad game this year, it happens especially to 19-year old defensemen.
 

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Mukhamadullin: Polarizing even a year later!

The penalty was just kind of one of those things that happen as the forward collapsed near the wall and it had to be called. I may have been grading on a curve here but I thought he showed well considering how strong the KHL is and how young he is. He's an intriguing prospect I think and if he wants to come to NA and try to make the NHL I think he's got a strong chance to do it and become an impact player.
 

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A 19 year old had a bad game. Time to completely write him off, I guess.

I'm generally on your side with things, but I don't understand where this is coming from. Kid had a bad game. That observation was stated. Observation =\= Overreaction. Hell, it's not even a reaction. The only reaction in this thread is an overreaction, and it's the overreaction to a simple observation stating the kid had a bad game. No one who said he had a bad game did anything remotely close to writing him off...
 

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He looked clueless, that's my honest take.
Clueless ? No . He gambled and the forward made a nice play . The kid has still been very good this year as shown by the trust the coaches have in him by playing a 19 year old on their first paring . Yes he made a mistake but ya , it happens or no one would ever score ever .
 

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Muk looked amazing his first few games. And now didnt look good. It is going to happen when he is a teen playing in a Pro league.
 

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Clueless ? No . He gambled and the forward made a nice play . The kid has still been very good this year as shown by the trust the coaches have in him by playing a 19 year old on their first paring . Yes he made a mistake but ya , it happens or no one would ever score ever .
Get out of here with this crap bro, because we critique his game today in a bad way don't mean shit, it just means he had a bad day and there is nothing wrong talking about it. Saying he looked clueless on a play doesn't mean he's clueless.
 
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Muk looked amazing his first few games. And now didnt look good. It is going to happen when he is a teen playing in a Pro league.
Actually this was his really first bad game this year, for a 19-year-old he's been shining and we should be excited about what we've seen.
 

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I'm generally on your side with things, but I don't understand where this is coming from. Kid had a bad game. That observation was stated. Observation =\= Overreaction. Hell, it's not even a reaction. The only reaction in this thread is an overreaction, and it's the overreaction to a simple observation stating the kid had a bad game. No one who said he had a bad game did anything remotely close to writing him off...

My point is we all tend to overreact. If Mukhamadullin has a stretch of six or seven games where he struggles, we can look into it a bit more. I'm a bit defensive of the kid because he has unfairly become polarizing -- as evidenced by last year's WJC, where he arguably received more negative press than any defender in the tourney despite being one of the best handful of defenders in the tourney.

So, it's fair to say my quick defense of Shakir is an overreaction, as well.

But realistically, I'm not sure why Mukhamadullin has done, aside from be drafted higher than his consensus ranking, to become such a lightning rod. The three defensemen drafted immediately after him were Justin Barron, William Wallinder and Helge Grans. One and a half years later, we can argue whether Shakir or Barron should have been drafted ahead of each other, but Wallinder and Grans are nowhere close to either of them. So, I'll continue to defend both Mukhamadullin and the Devils selection of him. I think he's going to become a very good player, though he still has a couple of years of development before he's ready for the NHL rigors.
 

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Who said anything about writing him off? I've been praising this kid all year, even bumped the thread in the main forum last week to sing his accolades.

I deleted my comment negative comments guys, sorry for the observation.

Sorry if I came off too strong, I'm just quick to defend Mukhamadullin because of some of the negativity he has received in the greater hockey media. You don't have to delete your comments ever on my account, we all make mistakes -- this overreaction was mine.
 
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My point is we all tend to overreact. If Mukhamadullin has a stretch of six or seven games where he struggles, we can look into it a bit more. I'm a bit defensive of the kid because he has unfairly become polarizing -- as evidenced by last year's WJC, where he arguably received more negative press than any defender in the tourney despite being one of the best handful of defenders in the tourney.

So, it's fair to say my quick defense of Shakir is an overreaction, as well.

But realistically, I'm not sure why Mukhamadullin has done, aside from be drafted higher than his consensus ranking, to become such a lightning rod. The three defensemen drafted immediately after him were Justin Barron, William Wallinder and Helge Grans. One and a half years later, we can argue whether Shakir or Barron should have been drafted ahead of each other, but Wallinder and Grans are nowhere close to either of them. So, I'll continue to defend both Mukhamadullin and the Devils selection of him. I think he's going to become a very good player, though he still has a couple of years of development before he's ready for the NHL rigors.

Until he develops and fills out his frame you don’t know what he’s capable of. I’ve seen him try to hit other players - the willingness is there. But he’s long and thin and has no leverage. Once he gets into a pro training program and adds 20-25 pounds over the next three years I think he will be a much better player in his own end.
 

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I really don't care about any individual bad games. If he looks bad for 10 games in a row, then sure. We know he's a work in progress, his play should be evaluated within that context.
Exactly. People posting that he took a bad penalty ? Like really ? Wow tough crowd here. Kid plays good all year so far then has one bad game where he makes a couple mistakes and it looks like he gets piled on. I don’t get it.
 

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I really don't care about any individual bad games. If he looks bad for 10 games in a row, then sure. We know he's a work in progress, his play should be evaluated within that context.
I don't either, but if someone posts a video of a play we can't discuss it unless it's only a good play?
 

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I don't either, but if someone posts a video of a play we can't discuss it unless it's only a good play?

I think discussing it is fine and I think some people really attributed some opinions you don't have to what you said (and you should've left it up). That said, I just saw a replay of Colton White trying to break up a 2 on 1 in very similar fashion to Mukhamadullin in the 1st period (and failing also).
 
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