Rumor: Seravalli: Rangers been all over JT Miller

[bernmeister]

It’s the Rangers calling asking for Miller, not the other way around so the asking price is set by the Canucks. If NY doesn’t like it the Canucks don’t have to trade him.

accurate, but equilibrium says hi.
If/when 'nucks want too much, or fair value but insist it is in currency NY cannot afford, then Rangers say no.

The real prob here is not bad faith to try and meet in the middle.
The prob is NY has insane salary cap restraints beginning next season.

For that reason the only thing that, while not actually working but pointing in the direction of working, is the following, which still forces someone who can't get moved to be moved to = stopgap short bridge $ for Kakko, LaF, Blais etc

like Namest for Miller, NY wants Krav for Pod as a side deal. That actually projects as ballpark fair value on paper and helps both sides. NY moves on from distraction, and Krav has potential to be a C, which Pod does not.

rest of the deal
Strome + Geo + Lindgren + Jones + 2022 1st
for
JT Miller at half + Halak

benefits
VAN gets young cost controlled D, Jones lefty but plays either side
Geo is potentially good, younger starter cost controlled replaces expiring vet who can potentially return next season if desired
Strome = sign him if all good there or deal him for 2nd + to highest bidder
1st round pick
and from prior side deal, Krav

NY gets JT to add to Fs and Halak is rental, replaced by elc next yr
and from prior side deal, Pod

nucks should take the quality youth and help restructuring cap

Rangers are all in with this deal, and they are ok, except no one besides Goodrow who has modified Nm-ntc is a big #. Even if they kick Reeves + his 1.7+ upstairs that's not enuf and they will have to penny pinch

Pod - Zib - Panarin
Kreider - Miller - Kakko
LaF - Chytil - Gauthier
Goodrow - Barron - Rooney

Hajek - Fox
KAM - Trouba
Nemeth - Schneider
Nils L + Robertson in reserve

 

[ElLeetch]

Have they checked with JT Miller?

I think he had terrible time in NY, with NY giving up on him eventually. He did not play well, but that's besides the point. He may not be too happy going back, and would rather close that unpleasant chapter. His play could suffer as well. The fans would probably be quick to dig up that old hatchet if things do not start off well. Just seems like one of the worst destinations for him.

Different Coach, GM, President, and 90% roster change since then (literally only Kreider and Zib).

The only thing in common from his rangers tenure to now, is the arena and the jerseys.

 

[bernmeister]

Rental? He’s signed next year and is American guy great chance he resigns with whoever trades for him

Miller can not be added at all unless it is at half and Lindgren goes the other way. Cap mgmt dictates so

which btw, is still a prob b'c they still need cap $ for Kakko, LaF etc after which they would have gotten from Lindgren

 

[bernmeister]

I actually cant tell if this is a joke or not. I literally said to wait to make the deal after they see what they have. Are you ok?

wait for what? whole pt of considering JT is to get add/upgrade for now

I'm just pointing out everybody win now, hey, reality is not in your vacuum

 

[Anthony5967]

accurate, but equilibrium says hi.
If/when 'nucks want too much, or fair value but insist it is in currency NY cannot afford, then Rangers say no.

The real prob here is not bad faith to try and meet in the middle.
The prob is NY has insane salary cap restraints beginning next season.

For that reason the only thing that, while not actually working but pointing in the direction of working, is the following, which still forces someone who can't get moved to be moved to = stopgap short bridge $ for Kakko, LaF, Blais etc

like Namest for Miller, NY wants Krav for Pod as a side deal. That actually projects as ballpark fair value on paper and helps both sides. NY moves on from distraction, and Krav has potential to be a C, which Pod does not.

rest of the deal
Strome + Geo + Lindgren + Jones + 2022 1st
for
JT Miller at half + Halak

benefits
VAN gets young cost controlled D, Jones lefty but plays either side
Geo is potentially good, younger starter cost controlled replaces expiring vet who can potentially return next season if desired
Strome = sign him if all good there or deal him for 2nd + to highest bidder
1st round pick
and from prior side deal, Krav

NY gets JT to add to Fs and Halak is rental, replaced by elc next yr
and from prior side deal, Pod

nucks should take the quality youth and help restructuring cap

Rangers are all in with this deal, and they are ok, except no one besides Goodrow who has modified Nm-ntc is a big #. Even if they kick Reeves + his 1.7+ upstairs that's not enuf and they will have to penny pinch

Pod - Zib - Panarin
Kreider - Miller - Kakko
LaF - Chytil - Gauthier
Goodrow - Barron - Rooney

Hajek - Fox
KAM - Trouba
Nemeth - Schneider
Nils L + Robertson in reserve

You'd have this team back in the basement in no time. This is a worse team without Lindgren.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Schneider+1st+Chytil for Miller@50% is completely fair.

if you want to keep Schneider then:

Lundqvist+Chytil+Kravtsov+1st

Neither of those packages are coming from the Rangers for JT Miller.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

As a Devils fan, I think this is a package that is fair for JT Miller to the Rangers:

2022 1st round pick
Vitali Kravtsov
Zac Jones
Matthew Robertson, Brendan Othmann, OR 2022 2nd round pick

 

[smoneil]

This yandle comparison is not close, Miller is and has always been a much better player than in Yandle's time of trade.
JT Miller is a 3 position PPG player with elite faceoffs, and 1.5 year contract.

It's a terrible comparable, I dono why you keep bringing it up

Were you too young to remember how Yandle was regarded when he was with the Coyotes? He was seen as one of the premier PMD's in the league.

 

[Anthony5967]

As a Devils fan, I think this is a package that is fair for JT Miller to the Rangers:

2022 1st round pick
Vitali Kravtsov
Zac Jones
Matthew Robertson, Brendan Othmann, OR 2022 2nd round pick

NYR aren't trading Othmann for a 1.5 year rental.

 

[Boris Zubov]

As a Devils fan, I think this is a package that is fair for JT Miller to the Rangers:

2022 1st round pick
Vitali Kravtsov
Zac Jones
Matthew Robertson, Brendan Othmann, OR 2022 2nd round pick

You are pretty close, but I don't think we need to add a 4th asset & it certainly wouldn't be Othmann.

 

[canadianmagpie]

Has any player ever been moved for 4 1st round picks/prospects? It seems every proposal has this thinking and for the life of me I can't think of any player ever traded in my lifetime that comes anywhere close to that.

In regards to retention.....its one more year and a little over 2 mill. Why is that all of a sudden worth so much? Get a 3rd team involved and its a 2nd maybe a 3rd round pick. Andrew Ladd was traded for 2 2nds and he is 5 mill+ for 2 years Oh and he is horrible.

I can't help but think of the Mark Stone trade. They got a good prospect at that time a 4th line player (no longer in the NHL) and a 2nd round pick. He was also then signed to a multi year deal so its not like he was a UFA. If a team trades a good prospect you are not getting 2 or 3 more 1st round pick quality players its delusional. Top tier prospects are so rarely traded anyways.

This thread is brutal.

The one I thought of was Eric Lindros who was traded for Duchene (undrafted), Peter Forsberg (1st rounder, 6th overall), Ron Hextall (119th overall), Kerry Huffman (1st rounder, 20th overall), Mike Ricci (1st rounder, 4th overall), Chris Simon (2nd rounder, 25th overall), two first rounders and $15 million. So that's 5 first rounders and an early 2nd plus Hextall and Duchene.

Yes, I know the situations are completely different.

Mark Stone was going to be a UFA when he was traded at the deadline.

 

[Peter Griffin]

like Namest for Miller, NY wants Krav for Pod as a side deal. That actually projects as ballpark fair value on paper and helps both sides. NY moves on from distraction, and Krav has potential to be a C, which Pod does not.

rest of the deal
Strome + Geo + Lindgren + Jones + 2022 1st
for
JT Miller at half + Halak

benefits
VAN gets young cost controlled D, Jones lefty but plays either side
Geo is potentially good, younger starter cost controlled replaces expiring vet who can potentially return next season if desired
Strome = sign him if all good there or deal him for 2nd + to highest bidder
1st round pick
and from prior side deal, Krav

NY gets JT to add to Fs and Halak is rental, replaced by elc next yr
and from prior side deal, Pod

GTFO with your garbage offers. “Kravtsov for Podkolzin side deal”? Do you honestly think the Canucks would have any interest in this?

Strome is if ZERO interest. Georgiev is of ZERO interest. Lindgren while a nice player doesn’t fill a need. Same goes for Jones. A Kravtsov for Podkolzin swap is an absolute joke. The Canucks aren’t in the business of fixing the cap for the Rangers, trading perhaps their biggest trade piece for a bunch of pieces that don’t fill big holes and then on top of it make some bizarre, unnecessary swap of young Russians that only benefits the Rangers. Get real.

 

[jay from jersey]

The one I thought of was Eric Lindros who was traded for Duchene (undrafted), Peter Forsberg (1st rounder, 6th overall), Ron Hextall (119th overall), Kerry Huffman (1st rounder, 20th overall), Mike Ricci (1st rounder, 4th overall), Chris Simon (2nd rounder, 25th overall), two first rounders and $15 million. So that's 5 first rounders and an early 2nd plus Hextall and Duchene.

Yes, I know the situations are completely different.

Mark Stone was going to be a UFA when he was traded at the deadline.

lindros was a franchise player on a ELC. His size/skill combo was uncanny. He would probably hold a bunch of NHL records if not for his concussion problem.
Lindros-Miller really isn’t a comparable trade return to expect....

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

As a Devils fan, I think this is a package that is fair for JT Miller to the Rangers:

2022 1st round pick
Vitali Kravtsov
Zac Jones
Matthew Robertson, Brendan Othmann, OR 2022 2nd round pick

This seems pretty realistic all except Othmann thrown in there in the last grouping. Don't think his value is on par with Robertson/2nd rounder.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Were you too young to remember how Yandle was regarded when he was with the Coyotes? He was seen as one of the premier PMD's in the league.

That was in 2011/12, not 2015 when he was actually traded and everyone knew how terrible he was away from the puck.

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

As a Devils fan, I think this is a package that is fair for JT Miller to the Rangers:

2022 1st round pick
Vitali Kravtsov
Zac Jones
Matthew Robertson, Brendan Othmann, OR 2022 2nd round pick

Take that last line out and it's a very good offer that would be hard to beat.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

The Rangers are not going to get a player like Miller without giving up at least a couple very good assets. He's an excellent, versatile player that has several more productive years ahead of him. I think he would be a great add to a team that should be a contender sooner than later. They show such signs this year although I think that's a touch premature.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

That was in 2011/12, not 2015 when he was actually traded and everyone knew how terrible he was away from the puck.

In fairness, he had 53 points the year before the trade and had 41 (in 63 games) in the year of the trade. He was still considered a top end PMD. He was never viewed as good defensively.

In those 2 seasons, he had 105 points, which was the 5th most points combined of any defenseman in the NHL. Karlsson, Subban, Burns, and Keith were the only ones with more points in those 2 seasons combined.

I'm not going to weigh into the debate as to whether it's a good comp or not, just that Yandle was still very highly thought of when NYR acquired him. Trying to do "comps" with past trades is fun, but no two situations are alike so they don't mean a whole lot.

 

[Savant]

Would start with 1st, Othmann and Lundkvist and go from there. Not going to get much further carried away than that though. Vancouver might need to take a contract back like Gauthier and/or Nemeth for cap reasons but I’m not under any illusion that would be a credit to the deal.

 

[AlaBlueShirt]

As a Devils fan, I think this is a package that is fair for JT Miller to the Rangers:

2022 1st round pick
Vitali Kravtsov
Zac Jones
Matthew Robertson, Brendan Othmann, OR 2022 2nd round pick

Lol I don’t think they even offered something like this for Eichel.

Vitali and 2nd or 1st plus B-prospect. Wouldn’t be surprised if Drudy ended up overpaying tho.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

As a Devils fan, I think this is a package that is fair for JT Miller to the Rangers:

2022 1st round pick
Vitali Kravtsov
Zac Jones
Matthew Robertson, Brendan Othmann, OR 2022 2nd round pick

As a Canucks fan I’d consider this… othmann would need to be included though (if not Schneider).

 

[Boondock]

Shouldn't have ever traded him

But under Gallant's system I think he'll be incredible and could work well on any of their lines. Still think Vancouver is too good a fit for him.

Could see maybe Strome going the other way or picks and prospects.

If Strome is anything other than a piece to balance salary, it would be an epic failure for Vancouver. A team needing to improve their RHD and their prospects and picks better not put any value into UFA to be in Strome.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

2022 1st round pick
Vitali Kravtsov
Zac Jones
2022 2nd round pick

Think that's a deal that could very well be worth it for both sides.

 

[ZiGOODejad]

If this is the consensus cost for JT Miller. I would want no part of him.

 

[ETTER DE]

That's a hell of a take.

Where are the superior players, that can't play in the NHL because of the cap, hiding?

Just watch the games.