GDT: Senators @ Flames | 9PM | TSN2, SNW, RDS | The Turnstile of Turncoat Turnarounds Edition

[WallyD]

Some of you are acting like he will never get hired again.

When DJ gets hired by this other team, will you be transferring to that team's forum to continue your electronic protection duties?

 

[Rodzilla]

Hired by another team, as a HC? I have my doubts.

shhhh they won't respond to this

well you were right haha

 

[bert]

If everyone knows that then why is there so much appeal to authority happening whenever someone criticizes him?

DJ deserves criticism. There is actually plenty to complain about. However the lazy narratives and inability to actually articulate the reasons why you're complaining will result in a discussion.

Well I’m reading he isn’t a problem?

No one said that. But when you are incapable of acknowledging the good and only the bad. Then don't have the ability to elaborate on what you're complaining about expect some push back.

 

[bert]

Hilarious to call me a bad faith poster, when all I do is call out people's bullshit reasons to attack DJ.

You say I never criticize DJ, but when I do criticize him (which I've done repeatedly in the past), you say it's in bad faith. What kind of f***ed up logic is that? What do you want from me?

He wants and thinks that everyone should agree with the loud opinions of the Twitter hive mind which is just a vocal minority. I read these 20 somethings that have followed hockey for 5 years and never played the sport competitively go on and on about systems and structure. Like they know what they are talking about. Then when asked we can't get a tangible description or answer of why the 'system' is so bad.

Don't hear anything when the team is winning. Only when they're losing. Been a top what 8 team for thr last 50 games. Been the second hottest team in the league. Lose a couple and it's all doom and gloom. The leagues really good. Yes the sens have some faults. Coaching, player performance and roster construction all have issues. It's never just one person or player. It's a collective effort in both wins and loses. The bottom line is this is a young team. They're gonna be streaky. The inability to acknowledge this for some posters tends to show a maturity and experience level in being a hockey fan.

 

[JD1]

Last night's game starting 22 hours after puck drop in Vancouver, plus travel time, against a rested team wasn't a scenario likely to lead to a good result

Our best chance in that game was Markstrom shitting the bed. He's kinda found his game lately though.

@bert I gave up asking anyone that used the word structure to define what's lacking

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Any update on Joseph?

 

[Alex1234]

DJ deserves criticism. There is actually plenty to complain about. However the lazy narratives and inability to actually articulate the reasons why you're complaining will result in a discussion.


No one said that. But when you are incapable of acknowledging the good and only the bad. Then don't have the ability to elaborate on what you're complaining about expect some push back.

When 72 is pinpoint because of a lazy turnover that results in a PP goal against and the answer is it’s the 5 men unit fault it’s a bit of a stretch

At that point it’s Mando ‘s fault too because he was on the ice with the other 5 but come on

 

[Burrowsaurus]

DJ deserves criticism. There is actually plenty to complain about. However the lazy narratives and inability to actually articulate the reasons why you're complaining will result in a discussion.


No one said that. But when you are incapable of acknowledging the good and only the bad. Then don't have the ability to elaborate on what you're complaining about expect some push back.

I’ve acknowledged the good whenever I’ve seen it. And I’ve elaborated all season lol

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

Some of you are acting like he will never get hired again.

I'd bet my mortgage that he'll never get another NHL HC job.

Obviously he will probably get an assistant coaching job, or maybe HC in the AHL.

 

[Rodzilla]

Goes a bit both ways tho. Some actually identify and tell you some stuff wrong with the structure and you guys just go on and say « every team has this » which is flat out false.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Last night's game starting 22 hours after puck drop in Vancouver, plus travel time, against a rested team wasn't a scenario likely to lead to a good result

Our best chance in that game was Markstrom shitting the bed. He's kinda found his game lately though.

@bert I gave up asking anyone that used the word structure to define what's lacking

Why because you didn’t like their answers?

You guys just aren’t getting answers you like.

And for the record. No one here thinks it’s “only the coach”. It’s never “only the coach”. To say that is just to sit on the fence. “You don’t like the coach?? Well…it’s never only the coach. Ha! Gotcha!” Like yeah guys we know.

But coaches get fired more than stars get traded?it’s the first step in change. So when I say. “Likely time for a new coach here” I’m not saying “this is all DJs fault even down to the small details like players fumbling pucks and missing wide open nets”. And that’s the card that SOME of you like to play to squash the convo around coaching. And then end it with like “if you think it’s DJs fault that player x passed to the other team in the slot there than you dont watch much hockey!”

No one here thinks the players cant be a little better. I’ve brought up countless times that these kids have all been paid in their careers to lose. And solely on points. And are learning what it’s like to actually play meaningful games.


But. The coach blows dude. Sorry.

 

[boxbox]

Why was Montegomry out there? Why was Bowness out there? Coaches def have a shelf life

I am not a coach nor do I have any coaching experience so for me to make say anything critical in regards those instances would be like me assuming I have the solution for the Ukraine Russia conflict based on what I see on CNN . I do know there is only 32 NHL head coaching gigs available so to think the chosen individuals for those 32 spots don't know how to coach .

I ask again ? the replacement would be who ? Quenneville is the only intriguing option, only because hes had recent success with younger players and if it weren't for investigation and what followed he'd still be coaching in the NHL.

We all technically have a self life, but I know what you meant, and yes its true but only as generalization. There is more then enough examples of coaches that stuck with one team for yearssss.

I just don't know what everyone expects ? when a team plays poorly 2-3 in a row after a great 15 game stretch does not mean they suck or that everyone should get fired.... every team wins some games they had no business winnng but I recall very clearly a bunch of games the Sens lost and were the better team....laws of averages ....alol Sens were never considered to be a lock for the playoffs in pre season predictions.... general predictions saw the team challenge for a spot; which they are and have games in hand...

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

DJ needs to hold the players more accountable. I don't think he's done a good job in this department at all.

Mistakes like the one you see the leaders of this team make time and time again without any sort of repercussions is concerning.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I am not a coach nor do I have any coaching experience so for me to make say anything critical in regards those instances would be like me assuming I have the solution for the Ukraine Russia conflict based on what I see on CNN . I do know there is only 32 NHL head coaching gigs available so to think the chosen individuals for those 32 spots don't know how to coach .

I ask again ? the replacement would be who ? Quenneville is the only intriguing option, only because hes had recent success with younger players and if it weren't for investigation and what followed he'd still be coaching in the NHL.

We all technically have a self life, but I know what you meant, and yes its true but only as generalization. There is more then enough examples of coaches that stuck with one team for yearssss.

I just don't know what everyone expects ? when a team plays poorly 2-3 in a row after a great 15 game stretch does not mean they suck or that everyone should get fired.... every team wins some games they had no business winnng but I recall very clearly a bunch of games the Sens lost and were the better team....laws of averages ....alol Sens were never considered to be a lock for the playoffs in pre season predictions.... general predictions saw the team challenge for a spot; which they are and have games in hand...

Seasons are longer than “a great 15 games”.

In a vaccuum 3 losses isnnot
Much. And people accept that we could be streaky. But the fashion in which we lost these. And how similar they look to other losses. And how similar our defence looks to last years even though the talent on the roster improves… is concerning.

 

[boxbox]

Do you remember a roster that Bowness had as an Ottawa senators coach? Look at our top 6 and top 4 right now. And then let’s see how we play defensively and how we now get scored on every time we have PP

and when the team will play defensively, there will be bitching about lack of scoring and how our star players are being held back offensively ....Spezza ? ring a bell ?

 

[Burrowsaurus]

DJ needs to hold the players more accountable. I don't think he's done a good job in this department at all.

Mistakes like the one you see the leaders of this team make time and time again without any sort of repercussions is concerning.

I have no doubt that he makes it known they’ve f***ed up. But how many coaches stick around for this long?sooner or later they’re just rich dumb kids with the same voice yapping at them

and when the team will play defensively, there will be bitching about lack of scoring and how our star players are being held back offensively ....Spezza ? ring a bell ?

People don’t care about scoring. They care about wins and losses

 

[boxbox]

Seasons are longer than “a great 15 games”.

well I keep reminding everyone there are 82 games in a season and still a lot of hockey to be played.... maybe by game 80 this mystery replacement coach savior will be revealed

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

I have no doubt that he makes it known they’ve f***ed up. But how many coaches stick around for this long?sooner or later they’re just rich dumb kids with the same voice yapping at them

I haven't seen him lay down the hammer on anyone other than Brannstrom and Pinto when they mess up.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

well I keep reminding everyone there are 82 games in a season and still a lot of hockey to be played.... maybe by game 80 this mystery replacement coach savior will be revealed

Yeah again man… coachs get replaced all the time. It’s like death and taxes. They’re only hired to be fired. I promise you DJ will be fired at some point. And the mystery coach will then be revealed. And hired. And then that coach will be fired. And another will be hired.

 

[boxbox]

I have no doubt that he makes it known they’ve f***ed up. But how many coaches stick around for this long?sooner or later they’re just rich dumb kids with the same voice yapping at them


People don’t care about scoring. They care about wins and losses

100 % ....but if the Sens would lose a lot of games 2-1 , no one would give a sh*t about defensive hockey and all would be calling for an offensive minded coach that will give the players freedom to create ....

Yeah again man… coachs get replaced all the time. It’s like death and taxes. They’re only hired to be fired. I promise you DJ will be fired at some point. And the mystery coach will then be revealed. And hired. And then that coach will be fired. And another will be hired.

history agrees with you

 

[boxbox]

I haven't seen him lay down the hammer on anyone other than Brannstrom and Pinto when they mess up.

maybe because of the focus on mental health these days and mental well being of individuals

 

[Bileur]

Any update on Joseph?

Great, now I laughed and I’m going to hell. Thanks Achtzehn

I haven't seen him lay down the hammer on anyone other than Brannstrom and Pinto when they mess up.

You could definitely argue Kelly and Kastelic got the hammer.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I haven't seen him lay down the hammer on anyone other than Brannstrom and Pinto when they mess up.

Well clearly brannstrom has the shortest leash. In game no but like in the room or practice.

100 % ....but if the Sens would lose a lot of games 2-1 , no one would give a sh*t about defensive hockey and all would be calling for an offensive minded coach that will give the players freedom to create ....


history agrees with you

Yeah it does. And the future will too lol. So I don’t understand the “what other coaches are out there?? You seriously think ANYONE can do any better?” Sentiment. Yes there are other coaches out there. I beleive that others can do better. And he’s the coach. I’ll change the coach before changing the core of the team

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

You could definitely argue Kelly and Kastelic got the hammer.

Well clearly brannstrom has the shortest leash. In game no but like in the room or practice.

The message needs to be sent to the leaders. The long term players here. Errors become habit if left alone.

Preaching in practice won't do anything as it is evident it's happening in game almost every game

 

[Senovision]

It's been a tough stretch of games. Playing our 3rd and 4th string goalies who have no NHL experience is a baptism by fire. We have been letting in about 5 goals a game the last 4 games. Mandolese and Sogaard are still developing. It is a big ask for these two goalies to be thrust into playing number 1 and number 2 goalie at this stage of their development.