Confirmed with Link: Senators are for sale - and it’s a Gong Show

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Interesting that many people don't understand that RR's involvement is not just some nice bonus, it's an actual valuable part of the bid. Just by putting his name on it, his group can make their offer $100 Million (spitballing here) smaller than others and still be accepted. And they will take full advantage of that, because business.

Obviously it has a huge value for NHL but very small value for the sisters, but in the end, it's NHL who will make the final decision, and Melnyks will miss out on a good chunk of cash thanks to Deadpool.

In a general sense the commissioner represents the owners. I can't see Bettman and the NHL pressuring the Melnyk sisters into giving up over $100 million on the sale of their team.

There would be lawsuits. It would split other owners who would now be wondering "could the NHL force me to sell and then force me to take a lower bid?". It seems like a terrible idea all around even if they want that bid to win.
 
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Interesting that many people don't understand that RR's involvement is not just some nice bonus, it's an actual valuable part of the bid. Just by putting his name on it, his group can make their offer $100 Million (spitballing here) smaller than others and still be accepted. And they will take full advantage of that, because business.

Obviously it has a huge value for NHL but very small value for the sisters, but in the end, it's NHL who will make the final decision, and Melnyks will miss out on a good chunk of cash thanks to Deadpool.
If I remember correctly he would be in charge of the hockey side of the ownership team, while the Rem group would manage the real estate. A true partnership.
 

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In a general sense the commissioner represents the owners. I can't see Bettman and the NHL pressuring the Melnyk sisters into giving up over $100 million on the sale of their team.

There would be lawsuits. It would split other owners who would now be wondering "could the NHL force me to sell and then force me to take a lower bidder?".
Not really how it works. The board wouldn’t be split because no one cares about the outgoing owner, they care about their current slice of the league, and what incoming group is best to increase that value.

The board gets the final say on the sale, and they operate on what’s best for the league aka themselves, not the outgoing owner. Ballsillie learned all this the hard way.

What the board wants, they will get, because it’s their league. There isn’t any pressure, just notification of which group or groups they will accept. They will also ensure that acceptable groups pay the required amount to keep team valuations up. In RR’s case there is no doubt that the board is considering the added cash value to the league as a whole that he could bring with his production company and world wide popularity in sport already.
 

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Not really how it works. The board wouldn’t be split because no one cares about the outgoing owner, they care about their current slice of the league, and what incoming group is best to increase that value.

The board gets the final say on the sale, and they operate on what’s best for the league aka themselves, not the outgoing owner. Ballsillie learned all this the hard way.

What the board wants, they will get, because it’s their league.

That was a relocation and not at all comparable.
 
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That was a relocation and not at all comparable.
Of course it’s comparable. He tried to end run the board and buy the team, the owner was prepared to sell, all buttoned up save for one thing…. The board said no.

The board said no.

I mean they have already said publicly that the highest bid won’t necessarily win, it’s about what’s best for the league. We also know who gets to decide what’s best for the league.
 

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If I remember correctly he would be in charge of the hockey side of the ownership team, while the Rem group would manage the real estate. A true partnership.
Not picking on you, your comment is just handy. I see too many comments in this discussion that imply "RR will be great and will make sure we have the proper guys in the bottom six"

I suppose it depends on what is meant by "hockey side" - unless it means the business of hockey side and not the real estate development side, but in Ryan Reynolds explains his team's approach to owning a sports franchise

Ryan is pretty clear about how he runs his football team and that it would be his approach to the sens: increase community involvement; deal directly with fans and not have a moat of spokespeople around the team; have people all over the world care about the team; not have a hand in on ice activities because then the would "finish in last place".

Now, if there is big name player being targeted, the team would be nuts not to have RR pay a visit.
 
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They could offer a generous percentage of legacy ownership to the Melnyk women to sweeten the offer without raising the price.
Right. First I don't know where these comments indicating RR group is offering less on purpose or they are lowballing, etc. are coming from, but lets assume for the moment that they aren't or can't offer the most money.

Throwing back a few points to the Melnyk's may be something the family is interested in. They get a change of putting the family name on the cup -which I think they care about to some extent - , the buyers can figure they get to apply the cash difference to setting up a proper front office, or whatever their priorities are, and the NHL gets to approve their preferred group without having other owners get skittish that the NHL may force them to accept a lower offer some day for no other reason than "we like this other guy".

It's a win - win - win plus another win for the fans, because RR is going to take this team on a wild ride no matter what happens
 
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If I remember correctly he would be in charge of the hockey side of the ownership team, while the Rem group would manage the real estate. A true partnership.
I doubt Ryan knows enough to be a POHO type and also doubt that he would want to do that, given he can make more money making movies.
 

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there are rumours the RR is not the highest bid….maybe even lower than a few others, and there are rumours that the NHL is trying to do some sort of shepherding to either up the RR groups bid, or getting another group ,involved with the RR group, to sweeten their bid…. Rumours, not a good look
Why? This isn't a government procurement process. The stakeholders can do what ever the f*** they want to get what they want.

If the league wants RR they SHOULD try and find a way of setting up a situation that all other stakeholders find acceptable.

Moreover, RR has an amazing marketing/storytelling record. His involvement would be great for the League/Team/City. If they can manipulate the situation to get the owners to choose them - they would be doing their job well.

In a general sense the commissioner represents the owners. I can't see Bettman and the NHL pressuring the Melnyk sisters into giving up over $100 million on the sale of their team.

There would be lawsuits. It would split other owners who would now be wondering "could the NHL force me to sell and then force me to take a lower bid?". It seems like a terrible idea all around even if they want that bid to win.

Lawsuits by who? And on which grounds.

Other bidders have NO right to a fair process.

100 million is a stretch but 30-40. No problem.
 
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Not picking on you, your comment is just handy. I see too many comments in this discussion that imply "RR will be great and will make sure we have the proper guys in the bottom six"

I suppose it depends on what is meant by "hockey side" - unless it means the business of hockey side and not the real estate development side, but in Ryan Reynolds explains his team's approach to owning a sports franchise

Ryan is pretty clear about how he runs his football team and that it would be his approach to the sens: increase community involvement; deal directly with fans and not have a moat of spokespeople around the team; have people all over the world care about the team; not have a hand in on ice activities because then the would "finish in last place".

Now, if there is big name player being targeted, the team would be nuts not to have RR pay a visit.
What I meant is that he would be the “owner“ of the hockey side. His approach has seemed to be to find the absolute best people for the positions needed and let them do their thing. The star power and storytelling become a thing that players and executives want to be a part of. I didn’t mean to imply that he would run the team in the way that EM did.

I doubt Ryan knows enough to be a POHO type and also doubt that he would want to do that, given he can make more money making movies.
I didn’t mean that he would directly run the team Like a POHO, I meant be in charge of the team as in how he works with Wrexham as an owner.
 

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What I meant is that he would be the “owner“ of the hockey side. His approach has seemed to be to find the absolute best people for the positions needed and let them do their thing. The star power and storytelling become a thing that players and executives want to be a part of. I didn’t mean to imply that he would run the team in the way that EM did.


I didn’t mean that he would directly run the team Like a POHO, I meant be in charge of the team as in how he works with Wrexham as an owner.
oh, we are on the same page. NHL should have told bidders to make their best pitch to have RR involved in their bid ;)
 
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If the Melnyk sisters are holding 5 or 10% of the team, they can sell to whomever they want, and at whatever price they want if they are looking for the best fit with their interests
 

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If the Melnyk sisters are holding 5 or 10% of the team, they can sell to whomever they want, and at whatever price they want if they are looking for the best fit with their interests
Not if the BIG doesn’t approve it.
 

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If the team gets sold and the ladies hold 10%, then 90% of the team sold.
Right, but the ladies are entitled to choose the partner of their choice. And if they sell to RR for 795 instead of Andlauer for 825, no one will bat an eye
 

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If the team gets sold and the ladies hold 10%, then 90% of the team sold.
Ok, I was unclear on what @coladin is getting at then, I thought he was talking about them selling minor stakes, if he's trying to say they can avoid the BOG by retaini g a small stake, then no, that's not a thing, but it wouldn't really matter even if you could because the Commissioner wouldn't ok a transfer who's purpose is to avoid having to go to the full board anyways.
 
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Right, but the ladies are entitled to choose the partner of their choice. And if they sell to RR for 795 instead of Andlauer for 825, no one will bat an eye
still need BOG approval.

Whatever group Gary takes to the BOG, he’s going have a good idea if has enough votes beforehand.
 
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Sure, but he can't take a group to the board without Anna and Olivia telling him to.
Probably, but I would say when it gets to that stage, the ladies, Gallatio and Bettman will be doing some back room discussions.
More so Bettman and Gallattio and Gallatio and the groups.
 

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Probably, but I would say when it gets to that stage, the ladies, Gallatio and Bettman will be doing some back room discussions.
More so Bettman and Gallattio and Gallatio and the groups.
My expectation is that the ladies only care about maximizing their return. The NHL has an interest in getting the best ownership group, but I'm not convinced the difference between one or the other is enough for them to worry about

The most likely scenario imo is there's no conflict between Olivia, Anna and the NHL.
 

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That's good. Neither do I. Facts (i.e., what someone actually posted) gets in the way of a B.S. narrative.
Lol… It’s ok, just someone quoting the rulebook and never having the sense to grasp the intricacies and workarounds that occur in the real life applications of said rulebook.

I’m just going to nod and smile, and thank you for the conversation.
 
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Sure, but he can't take a group to the board without Anna and Olivia telling him to.
Common sense would seem to also dictate that Gary and the firm helping with the sale wouldn’t bother brining offers from groups to the sisters that the BOG wouldn’t accept.

It’s going to be a competitive offer for the selling party, from a group that the BOG wants at the table.

The league is already on record saying that the group with the highest bid won’t necessarily win, but rather the group that provides what’s best for the league.

There is a lot of wiggle room there, and the BOG will ultimately decide what is best for their business.
 

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I wonder if their will be any from the Board of Directors who are making the decisions for the Sens if they are interviewing for jobs with any new ownership? What will happen with Anthony LeBlanc for example after the sale?
 
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