Confirmed with Link: Senators are for sale - and it’s a Gong Show

[DueDiligence]

I doubt Ryan knows enough to be a POHO type and also doubt that he would want to do that, given he can make more money making movies.

He would obviously hire someone to do that.

 

[Sun God Nika]

I wonder if their will be any from the Board of Directors who are making the decisions for the Sens if they are interviewing for jobs with any new ownership? What will happen with Anthony LeBlanc for example after the sale?

I feel technically everyone can be fired. But we see new ceos come into company and they keep a lot of the guys at least in the short term anyways

 

[GCK]

My new dream scenario.

Andlauer and Rimmington group partner up.

Andlauer takes on hockey side, Rimmington takes on development side, Reynolds markets, Alfie POHO and Dorion on EI.

Huge money, experience with NHL ownership and experience on large developments.

 

[Cosmix]

That was a relocation and not at all comparable.

Plus I think it was also entering the territory of another team.

 

[Cosmix]

What I meant is that he would be the “owner“ of the hockey side. His approach has seemed to be to find the absolute best people for the positions needed and let them do their thing. The star power and storytelling become a thing that players and executives want to be a part of. I didn’t mean to imply that he would run the team in the way that EM did.


I didn’t mean that he would directly run the team Like a POHO, I meant be in charge of the team as in how he works with Wrexham as an owner.

"Owner" is very different from "in charge of the hockey side" which is a part of the organization structure.

My new dream scenario.

Andlauer and Rimmington group partner up.

Andlauer takes on hockey side, Rimmington takes on development side, Reynolds markets, Alfie POHO and Dorion on EI.

Huge money, experience with NHL ownership and experience on large developments.

Alfie was an excellent hockey player but has no management experience.

 

[Cosmix]

He would obviously hire someone to do that.

Therefore Ryan would not be "in charge of the hockey side"! He would likely own a part of the business and be compensated for doing PR work for the team (meaning being a spokesperson and managing PR projects similar to those he did with Wrexham). He might even be given a high falutin' title like Senior Vice President or President of XXXX.

I feel technically everyone can be fired. But we see new ceos come into company and they keep a lot of the guys at least in the short term anyways

Often a new ownership would immediately replace key execs with their own people.

 

[Ice-Tray]

"Owner" is very different from "in charge of the hockey side" which is a part of the organization structure.


Alfie was an excellent hockey player but has no management experience.

It’s semantics. The partnership between Remington and Reynolds seems like it put control of the hockey team in his corner which is why he chose it I believe, he se the ‘in charge of the hockey side’.

I dont think anyone thinks that Reynolds is going to give home self a job in the hockey ops department, but I did clarify for anyone confused by my post.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Lol… It’s ok, just someone quoting the rulebook and never having the sense to grasp the intricacies and workarounds that occur in the real life applications of said rulebook.

I’m just going to nod and smile, and thank you for the conversation.

LOL. You assume people don't know "real life". Typical response from you & anticipated of course.

Facts are facts & what I posted were the "steps" in the process. The rest is your made up narrative.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Therefore Ryan would not be "in charge of the hockey side"! He would likely own a part of the business and be compensated for doing PR work for the team (meaning being a spokesperson and managing PR projects similar to those he did with Wrexham). He might even be given a high falutin' title like Senior Vice President or President of XXXX.


Often a new ownership would immediately replace key execs with their own people.

Not in the hockey world, they actually don’t usually replace people immediately.

The list of new ownership arrivals and their immediate actions has been posted before.

 

[Ice-Tray]

LOL. You assume people don't know "real life". Typical response from you & anticipated of course.

Facts are facts & what I posted were the "steps" in the process. The rest is your made up narrative.

Not “people”, just you. You seem to be willfully avoiding all of the actual action surrounding the sale because it appears that ‘steps’ as written in the rule book are your only consideration.

I mean, the process is unfolding right in front of you, and the power brokers are very obvious. Getting worked up at me because because it turns out that the rulebook doesn’t encapsulate all of the realities of the process is a missed opportunity for you to expand your understanding of these events beyond the textual framework.

Feel free to die on your hill, its a strange display of stubbornness, but in the end it doesn’t really matter.

As I said, smile and nod.

 

[GCK]

"Owner" is very different from "in charge of the hockey side" which is a part of the organization structure.


Alfie was an excellent hockey player but has no management experience.

POHO role is to interface between GM and ownership while managing GM. Not the toughest role.

Not in the hockey world, they actually don’t usually replace people immediately.

The list of new ownership arrivals and their immediate actions has been posted before.

Took 2 weeks in Carolina.

 

[Ice-Tray]

POHO role is to interface between GM and ownership while managing GM. Not the toughest role.


Took 2 weeks in Carolina.

It isn’t, but it is where the buck stops for hockey ops.

I’d prefer that Alfie get some solid management experience before he has to bear the brunt of the entire hockey operation.

Besides, he has said that at the moment he wants to work directly with players. Maybe a special AGM development role?

POHO role is to interface between GM and ownership while managing GM. Not the toughest role.


Took 2 weeks in Carolina.

Right, and I think that’s the ONLY example. The rest to a varying degree of time. Seems like Carolina is a bit of an outlier.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Not “people”, just you. You seem to be willfully avoiding all of the actual action surrounding the sale because it appears that ‘steps’ as written in the rule book are your only consideration.

I mean, the process is unfolding right in front of you, and the power brokers are very obvious. Getting worked up at me because because it turns out that the rulebook doesn’t encapsulate all of the realities of the process is a missed opportunity for you to expand your understanding of these events beyond the textual framework.

Feel free to die on your hill, its a strange display of stubbornness, but in the end it doesn’t really matter.

As I said, smile and nod.

I only delineated the facts concerning the "process" involved. I haven't ignored anything despite your erroneous assumptions. Your posts are frequently directed at people (bad fans, whatever) and you seem to feel a need to denigrate them. There is nothing wrong about my "understanding". These are just your bad faith assumptions and your narrative.

There is nothing to be gained (by me or anyone else) continuing this conversation. Have a nice day.

 

[GCK]

It isn’t, but it is where the buck stops for hockey ops.

I’d prefer that Alfie get some solid management experience before he has to bear the brunt of the entire hockey operation.

Besides, he has said that at the moment he wants to work directly with players. Maybe a special AGM development role?


Right, and I think that’s the ONLY example. The rest to a varying degree of time. Seems like Carolina is a bit of an outlier.

FSG waited a year to clean house but Pittsburgh made the playoffs last year.

 

[Golden_Jet]

POHO role is to interface between GM and ownership while managing GM. Not the toughest role.


Took 2 weeks in Carolina.

Not sure if you’re talking about Francis getting let go or his replacement or Waddell. But the team was sold in January, which hire are you referring to.

Dundon bought it in January , Waddell promoted in May. Not to mention Waddell was already involved with the Canes.

Dundon became majority owner of the team on January 11, 2018, in a transaction where he purchased 52% of the team and the operating rights to PNC Arena for $420 million.

Waddell was named President of Gale Force Sports & Entertainment, the parent company of the NHL's Carolina Hurricanes, on July 1, 2014. On May 8, 2018, Waddell was named president and general manager of the Hurricanes.

 

[GCK]

Not sure if you’re talking about Francis getting let go or his replacement or Waddell. But the team was sold in January, which hire are you referring to.

Dundon bought it in January , Waddell promoted in May. Not to mention Waddell was already involved with the Canes.

Dundon became majority owner of the team on January 11, 2018, in a transaction where he purchased 52% of the team and the operating rights to PNC Arena for $420 million.

Waddell was named President of Gale Force Sports & Entertainment, the parent company of the NHL's Carolina Hurricanes, on July 1, 2014. On May 8, 2018, Waddell was named president and general manager of the Hurricanes.

Francis was demoted immediately and then fired as soon as their season ended.

 

[Silky Johnson]

My new dream scenario.

Andlauer and Rimmington group partner up.

Andlauer takes on hockey side, Rimmington takes on development side, Reynolds markets, Alfie POHO and Dorion on EI.

Huge money, experience with NHL ownership and experience on large developments.

Add in them paying an even Billion dollars for the team and Gary Bettman spontaneously orgasms.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Francis was demoted immediately and then fired as soon as their season ended.

Didn’t answer question, I’m aware of what happened to Francis thanks, which person were you talking about originally.

As team was sold in early January, I don’t see any new hires in late January for Carolina like you were alluding to, (2 week hire).

 

[Ice-Tray]

I only delineated the facts concerning the "process" involved. I haven't ignored anything despite your erroneous assumptions. Your posts are frequently directed at people (bad fans, whatever) and you seem to feel a need to denigrate them. There is nothing wrong about my "understanding". These are just your bad faith assumptions and your narrative.

There is nothing to be gained (by me or anyone else) continuing this conversation. Have a nice day.

Smile and nod.

 

[StoicSensFan]

My new dream scenario.

Andlauer and Rimmington group partner up.

Andlauer takes on hockey side, Rimmington takes on development side, Reynolds markets, Alfie POHO and Dorion on EI.

Huge money, experience with NHL ownership and experience on large developments.

Freudian slip?

 

[GCK]

Didn’t answer question, I’m aware of what happened to Francis thanks, which person were you talking about originally.

As team was sold in early January, I don’t see any new hires in late January for Carolina like you were alluding to, (2 week hire).

I was referring to demoting Francis and putting Waddell in as interim GM while Dunden did a search.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I was referring to demoting Francis and putting Waddell in as interim GM while Dunden did a search.

Ok thanks, that’s what I assumed, but that was months after team sold on January 11, not 2 weeks.

Not to mention that Waddell was already President of the company that owned the Canes.

 

[Senator Stanley]

An interesting nugget in Garrioch's piece today.

"We’re also told at least two of the seven groups involved in the bidding have no interest in moving downtown and would rather spend less money to refurbish the Canadian Tire Centre."

GARRIOCH: More space, better transit could make Bayview Yards a contender for Ottawa Senators' new arena

GARRIOCH: More space, better transit could make Bayview Yards a contender for Ottawa Senators' new arena

ottawasun.com

 

[Emerica]

An interesting nugget in Garrioch's piece today.

"We’re also told at least two of the seven groups involved in the bidding have no interest in moving downtown and would rather spend less money to refurbish the Canadian Tire Centre."

GARRIOCH: More space, better transit could make Bayview Yards a contender for Ottawa Senators' new arena

GARRIOCH: More space, better transit could make Bayview Yards a contender for Ottawa Senators' new arena

ottawasun.com

I love Garrioch You know half the time he says “sources say” he’s just giving his opinion

Sutcliffe suggested two other sites – including the RCGT baseball stadium and a site near Hurdman Station – but sources say neither make sense.

Also i feel like the two groups who would keep it in Kanata is Euge 2.0, Graeme Roustan, and maybe Rocco Tulio who looks like he is bitting off more than he can chew. I think most of the bigger groups have real estate/development backgrounds

 

[Senator Stanley]

I love Garrioch You know half the time he says “sources say” he’s just giving his opinion



Also i feel like the two groups who would keep it in Kanata is Euge 2.0, Graeme Roustan, and maybe Rocco Tulio who looks like he is bitting off more than he can chew. I think most of the bigger groups have real estate/development backgrounds

Neko Sparks would be another without a real estate (or really any) background.