Confirmed with Link: Sean Walker & 5th round pick ('26) traded to Colorado for 1st round pick ('25 - top 10 protected) & Ryan Johansen - Johansen assigned to Lehigh Valley

[CanadianFlyer88]

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[Angry Hockey Dad]

Flipped and dipped Walker into a late first?

 

[Beef Invictus]

While RyJo has negative value Colorado could have easily retained 50% of their contract for a total of 75%. They aren't dumping a player at 2 million for a first.

But if it suits you guys let's run around and ignore that actual reality.

Yes, completely. Never mind that nobody is doing that. That's totally what is happening.

 

[DancingPanther]

I love how ”you guys are hysterical over the margins” got distorted into “the margins don’t matter”.

No. I’m saying that you’re a freak if you’re wetting yourself over the fact that they traded Walker + 5th for Johansen + 1st (bad!!!) instead of Walker for Ceci + 1st (acceptable). Or if you think Seeler at 2.7M for 3 years is meh, but Seeler for 4 years at 2.7M is an unmitigated disaster that proves the worst things you’ve ever known about this organization.

You’re free to quibble. Quibble away! But if you’re having histrionic meltdowns over those margins, well, yeah.

Particularly funny because the entire last week, the gripe was that they just don’t get it, that no one would be traded, that they wouldn’t acquire a valuable pick on the table. Now that it’s proven false, the gripes turned to the margins.

If one didn’t know better, one might think people were just fishing for reasons to screech.

Hey there guy with an Elon Musk profile pic. I'm happy to say for the 2000th time that it isn't the fact that this trade is the worst in the history of the sport. It's not even close to that. (I gave it a C!) It's just more of the same misguided direction. A single cough isn't a big deal, but when you couple a single cough with 4 days of a 103° fever and a 2 week sore throat? Well now you have scarlet fever. They again wildly missed the value of the assets both sides are trading after a string of doing exactly this for 7+ years. That's something to be pissed about.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I think the funniest thing with the sobbing about these imagined "histrionics" is that we have a poll at the top of the thread taking a fat dung right on that notion.

Nothing says "unhinged negative reaction for the sake of being negative" quite like the exact opposite thing happening. 101 votes so far and a whopping two of them going Full Bad. Hence why the only actual faceplant going on is from anyone lying about the board reaction so they can feed their own delusions of superiority.

 

[freakydallas13]

I think the funniest part about the sobbing about these imagined "histrionics" is that we have a poll at the top of the thread taking a fat dung right on that notion.

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Nothing says "unhinged negative reaction for the sake of being negative" quite like the exact opposite thing happening. 101 votes so far and a whopping two of them going Full Bad. Hence why the only actual faceplant going on is from anyone lying about the board reaction so they can feed their own delusions of superiority.

The "all you do is complain" crowd see any minor criticisms of this team and get riled up. They can't handle even the softest critiques of this team.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The "all you do is complain" crowd see any minor criticisms of this team and get riled up. They can't handle even the softest critiques of this team.

"93% of board respondents think the move is fine or good but some express concerns instead of gushing praise! NEGATIVE ECHO CHAMBER!"

Come on. Can we put that pointless distraction to bed now and get back to talking about the f***ing trades instead of whining about a consensus negativity that doesn't even remotely exist? This should be the end of it, I think.

 

[BernieParent]

I am feeling good with this trade. Not over the moon but I am pleasantly surprised Briere actually traded Walker and got a 1st. They paid a high price for that 1st, which is weaponizing cap space like Gallagher's hammer, but they have cap to work with so it isn't a catastrophe. The Seeler signing gets a big shrug because OF COURSE they were going to pick the puck-blocking, face-punching, gritty lunchpail-carrying capital-D man.

 

[Magua]

The Knights? Who traded for Jack Eichel, signed Pietroangelo, and acquired/signed Mark Stone.

No, the Knights who acquired Stephenson, Marchessault, Karlsson, Smith, Roy, Theodore, and Hill. What were the centerpieces of the Eichel and Stone trades? Fletcher traded Tuch to the Knights for a 3rd because he f***ed himself in expansion. The Stone trade was a laugher, but Brannstrom was another protection trade. Unique situation not entirely relevant here, but you know who didn't win like that? Seattle.

You ignored my main examples, like Dallas and Carolina (Boston too), for obvious reasons. Care to try again with them? Every top team wins in the margins. Very few build a core from the margins. That's the point.

If the Flyers have positioned themselves where they MUST win in the margins, they've already lost.

Well, that's their plan. Gambling on low %s and luck with few lottery tickets, losing value in most moves, while also not making impactful larger scale trades, is a losing strategy.

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

RyJo for Kuznetsov (50% retained) who says no?

 

[Curufinwe]

Poor decision making is taking a cap dump, and not getting anything in return for it.

Walker wasn’t returning a 1st straight up so they did get something.

 

[Jack Straw]

I was the OG Gert B Frobe and I'm much more proud of Goldfinger. My Twitter profile used to come up on the Google. Not sure why it doesn't anymore. Disappointing.

Goldfinger was ok I guess

 

[Tripod]

They got a 1st round pick for a player that isn't 1st round pick trade quality.

Colorado is not in the position to trade a 1st round pick to just dump Johansen. I sometimes wonder if people actually understand what "leverage" is.

Thank you for enlightening us all.

So Philly had no leverage in this negotiation despite having cap space and having the best RHD on the market? That HAD to take this deal?

It's defending the whole Ghost trade and Risto follow up trade all over again. Maybe, just maybe, our GM's are shit at squeezing an ounce of juice from an orange.

And tell us, was Walker worth a 2nd? So we took on a cap dump for a 2nd....oh and threw in a 5th for the fun of it?

Any way you try and break this down, the Flyers should have gotten more back. It's very easy to see unless your head is up Mgt's arse.

 

[Curufinwe]

What team was offering more?

It’s weird to be mad about taking back a cap dump when we all wanted them to use their cap space to get more assets.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Dater is a clown but...

 

[Magua]

It’s weird to be mad about taking back a cap dump when we all wanted them to use their cap space to get more assets.

The issue is they slurred together the valuable asset and the cap dump at a likely value loss. It's the same thing with Petersen. They were insta-waivers. It wasn't about rehabbing value, flipping, whatever. The Flyers didn't even delude themselves that these were terribly negative assets.

Is a possible 30th overall pick next year (while eating $4MM next season) actually more valuable than 2+3 today plus cap to eat another contract for a similar haul?

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I will be surprised if Johansen is here next year. My money has him being bought out this summer which ends up being a 1.75 million cap hit in 24-25 and 26-26

 

[GKJ]

I will be surprised if Johansen is here next year. My money has him being bought out this summer which ends up being a 1.75 million cap hit in 24-25 and 26-26

I will be surprised if Johansen is here next week.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I will be surprised if Johansen is here next week.

You think he gets moved out as part of something else in another trade? I think they already said he will play in LHV if he goes unclaimed as expected

 

[Lindberg]

Thank you for enlightening us all.

So Philly had no leverage in this negotiation despite having cap space and having the best RHD on the market? That HAD to take this deal?

It's defending the whole Ghost trade and Risto follow up trade all over again. Maybe, just maybe, our GM's are shit at squeezing an ounce of juice from an orange.

And tell us, was Walker worth a 2nd? So we took on a cap dump for a 2nd....oh and threw in a 5th for the fun of it?

Any way you try and break this down, the Flyers should have gotten more back. It's very easy to see unless your head is up Mgt's arse.

Do you think teams were lining up at the door willing to throw 1st round picks at Sean Walker? I'll throw you a bone, he wasn't worth a 1st.

You act as if you were there behind closed doors making trades.

This trade and the Ghost/Risto trades have zero to do with each other. Even mentioning that makes me laugh at whatever the rest of your post is about.

I'd love to see what some people here do for work. Makes me wonder.

 

[TCTC]

The Avalanche have been a bit obsessed with signing/trading for reclamation projects in recent years it seems. Johansen, Drouin, Galchenyuk, Yakupov. Not sure why they keep collecting these bad apples.

 

[Lindberg]

No, the Knights who acquired Stephenson, Marchessault, Karlsson, Smith, Roy, Theodore, and Hill. What were the centerpieces of the Eichel and Stone trades? Fletcher traded Tuch to the Knights for a 3rd because he f***ed himself in expansion. The Stone trade was a laugher, but Brannstrom was another protection trade. Unique situation not entirely relevant here, but you know who didn't win like that? Seattle.

You ignored my main examples, like Dallas and Carolina (Boston too), for obvious reasons. Care to try again with them? Every top team wins in the margins. Very few build a core from the margins. That's the point.



Well, that's their plan. Gambling on low %s and luck with few lottery tickets, losing value in most moves, while also not making impactful larger scale trades, is a losing strategy.

You decided to throw out the example, now you want to walk away from it because it is convenient for you to do so. Not the least bit surprising but whatever.

Boston? The team that decided to go off the board in 2015? Yeah.... talk about "winning in the margins there".

"Winning in the margins" is such a dumb concept, it's about not f***ing completely screwing up your cap space, acquiring bad players, and burning picks on second rate players.

 

[Redpath]

Thank you for enlightening us all.

So Philly had no leverage in this negotiation despite having cap space and having the best RHD on the market? That HAD to take this deal?

It's defending the whole Ghost trade and Risto follow up trade all over again. Maybe, just maybe, our GM's are shit at squeezing an ounce of juice from an orange.

And tell us, was Walker worth a 2nd? So we took on a cap dump for a 2nd....oh and threw in a 5th for the fun of it?

Any way you try and break this down, the Flyers should have gotten more back. It's very easy to see unless your head is up Mgt's arse.

In the span of 9 months the Flyers targeted a cap dump (As part of a separate largely positive deal) and turned him into a 1st round pick, all at the expense of leveraging their cap space to take on a new 1 year cap dump.

That is exactly what squeezing out value is.

 

[GKJ]

You think he gets moved out as part of something else in another trade? I think they already said he will play in LHV if he goes unclaimed as expected

They said they will send him there. Doesn’t mean he’s gotta play.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Dater is a clown but...

I think it is very negative that Colorado kept this under wraps instead of publicizing it and making it deeply obvious, allowing us to charge more. That's the positive and honest action we would have taken.

 

[GKJ]

The Avalanche have been a bit obsessed with signing/trading for reclamation projects in recent years it seems. Johansen, Drouin, Galchenyuk, Yakupov. Not sure why they keep collecting these bad apples.

Yakupov is a different cat, but they have a top heavy roster while missing some other guys and didn’t see recourse by trading off their roster until now, so they had to take some chances on underachieving players hoping they could drag them up.