Confirmed with Link: Sean Walker & 5th round pick ('26) traded to Colorado for 1st round pick ('25 - top 10 protected) & Ryan Johansen - Johansen assigned to Lehigh Valley

[CanadianFlyer88]

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[PanniniClaus]

I hope they hang the Johansen jersey on the bench for every game down the stretch. His presence will be the push they need.

 

[Tripod]

Do you think teams were lining up at the door willing to throw 1st round picks at Sean Walker? I'll throw you a bone, he wasn't worth a 1st.

You act as if you were there behind closed doors making trades.

This trade and the Ghost/Risto trades have zero to do with each other. Even mentioning that makes me laugh at whatever the rest of your post is about.

I'd love to see what some people here do for work. Makes me wonder.

So go out on a limb....what was Walker worth? What was the top RHD still on the market, worth?

And what was taking on a cap dump worth?

AND we threw in a 5th.

And sure those trades are relevant as it shows incompetence across multiple GM's to extract or guage value.

Again...other teams get a 1st for taking on a 1 year cap dump. We got a 1st for taking a cap dump AND giving up the top RHD still in the market, and a 5th. That's the difference between smart Mgt, and the Flyers.

As for work, I own my own company and sell licensed hats...like NHL hats, to retail stores all across Canada. Now you don't have to wonder.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I mean sure, you can think that if you want. That doesn't make it true. Tanev was reported to have required a cap dump going back to get a 1st. And Tanev is the more proven commodity over Walker. Not sure what you think maximum value for Walker would have been given the reported market.

I'm on the first page of the Seeler thread knocking that signing. But in terms of process, selling high on Walker for a 1st outweighs retaining a depth defenseman.

Please let me know when the process of this management has ever entailed taking on a player, letting him bloat his value, selling high on him, and weaponizing the cap to get back the highest value for him. Insane to pretend that isn't a change in management's approach.

Please, let us get one thing straight: Everything each of us thinks is true. Nothing is real, yet everything is. Reality is all a perception of the pulsing fat inside our heads.

(I think we are nitpicking at a point we've already nitpicked to death prior, everyone might find it positive if we shut up about it. We at minimum agree the trade is Fine)

 

[gertbfrobe16]

I was the OG Gert B Frobe and I'm much more proud of Goldfinger. My Twitter profile used to come up on the Google. Not sure why it doesn't anymore. Disappointing.

I'm more proud of the one in joe dirt.

 

[Danko]

Thank god we got back a 5th.

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

I will be surprised if Johansen is here next year. My money has him being bought out this summer which ends up being a 1.75 million cap hit in 24-25 and 26-26

I would be surprised if we muddied 25-26’s cap to save 1.1MM or so on 24-25’s cap (we can reduce his cap hit by 1.15MM by burying him in the minors, but that relief goes out the window in a buyout scenario).

 

[Danko]

Thank you for adding the poll

 

[ugiswrong]

I get those who voted D for Defense since Walker was the best D-man as far as the days spent in Philly/not sucking ratio; he might be up there with Pronger and Galley and Coffey on a Rushmore

 

[Flyer lurker]

Please, let us get one thing straight: Everything each of us thinks is true. Nothing is real, yet everything is. Reality is all a perception of the pulsing fat inside our heads.

(I think we are nitpicking at a point we've already nitpicked to death prior, everyone might find it positive if we shut up about it. We at minimum agree the trade is Fine)

Walker was always worth a 2nd rounder around pick 50 plus some sugar.
Was the sugar a 3, or a 4, or a Rizzo type prospect, you decide.
Ryan contract got you to move up 20 picks in a strong draft and removed the sugar.

It an easy yes for me for Briere. And I don;t want these picks moved for Zegras and especially not for former flyer kids.

 

[sa cyred]

This is a win. Let’s just take it and move on.

 

[VladDrag]

So they didn't view him as a cap dump, but they are also surprised that he turned into a top 4 defenseman. Want to meet in the middle and say they viewed him as a bottom pair defenseman when they acquired him?

A process that takes on a bottom pair defenseman, let's him play himself into a top 4 defenseman, sells high on him at the deadline, and weaponizes cap space to get maximum value would be...a good process.

I don’t think anyone can convince me that the Flyers had enough information on Sean Walker to accurately project where he would play in the lineup, much less accurately predict he’d be a top 4 dman. And that doesn’t mean that they didn’t purposefully target Sean Walker. It made sense to. But there’s no way they projected this kind of impact from Walker.

We also know that the process wasn’t solely pump and dump with Walker. Multiple reports stated that they had contract talks with the flyers. So we know at least some degree, the Flyers had interest in bringing him back long-term. This also isn’t a bad process. They have identified a player who they feel can help them, and walked away when the contract was too rich for them to stomach.

Are any of these things flat out failures? I don’t think so. But they are not slam dunk wins, either.

 

[ybnvs]

I'd love to see what some people here do for work. Makes me wonder.

Ew dude.

What are you trying to accomplish?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

We’ve got people complaining Briere didn’t get enough for Sean Walker?

 

[FlyerNutter]

Do you think teams were lining up at the door willing to throw 1st round picks at Sean Walker? I'll throw you a bone, he wasn't worth a 1st.

You act as if you were there behind closed doors making trades.

This trade and the Ghost/Risto trades have zero to do with each other. Even mentioning that makes me laugh at whatever the rest of your post is about.

I'd love to see what some people here do for work. Makes me wonder.

Started my own ice cream truck company last year.

More profitable than one thinks. I try to make it a little more modern, and sell some exotic flavours so to speak.

 

[Jack Straw]

This is a win. Let’s just take it and move on.

 

[tictactoe]

I was hoping to see Atkinson and Ryan Johansen along with Deslauriers... this would be a hockey treat...

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I don’t think anyone can convince me that the Flyers had enough information on Sean Walker to accurately project where he would play in the lineup, much less accurately predict he’d be a top 4 dman. And that doesn’t mean that they didn’t purposefully target Sean Walker. It made sense to. But there’s no way they projected this kind of impact from Walker.

I know you know this, but it bothers me how we frame these reclamation projects. They got a fantastic outcome on Walker, so it was a fantastic decision. They got a terrible outcome on Petersen, so it was terrible. That’s a poisonous road of thought to go down.

Krug made sense. Walker made sense. Ellis made sense. I don’t care whether or not they worked out because the decision was reasonable with the information available to them at the time. As long as that’s the norm, they’ll be fine.

(Fine is not a contender.)

 

[Petr Svoboda Mullet]

This is a win. Let’s just take it and move on.

This. Surely there is something else that could be complained about. Like Seeler’s contract.

 

[BernieParent]

I know you know this, but it bothers me how we frame these reclamation projects. They got a fantastic outcome on Walker, so it was a fantastic decision. They got a terrible outcome on Petersen, so it was terrible. That’s a poisonous road of thought to go down.

Krug made sense. Walker made sense. Ellis made sense. I don’t care whether or not they worked out because the decision was reasonable with the information available to them at the time. As long as that’s the norm, they’ll be fine.

(Fine is not a contender.)

I always appreciate how you weave context and nuance into the big picture, Jojo. The Walker trade sequence is about as good as it can get; receiving an undervalued player as part of a bigger trade, having him excel in his time on the Flyers, and trading him for a 1st (vacuum sound here sucking up the peripherals and missing margin-value-getting). Petersen was ... as expected. I didn't see any of his time on the Phantoms but he seemed okay in his short time as backup until he forgot how to goal against Pittsburgh. They had nothing to lose sending him down as there was no risk (and even a smidgen of hope) that he would get claimed.

I don't see the bigger picture to Krug making sense, though. Sense as in the Flyers trying to get out of Sanheim's big contract before the NTC kicked in? As part of a proposed bigger deal?

So go out on a limb....what was Walker worth? What was the top RHD still on the market, worth?

And what was taking on a cap dump worth?

AND we threw in a 5th.

And sure those trades are relevant as it shows incompetence across multiple GM's to extract or guage value.

Again...other teams get a 1st for taking on a 1 year cap dump. We got a 1st for taking a cap dump AND giving up the top RHD still in the market, and a 5th. That's the difference between smart Mgt, and the Flyers.

As for work, I own my own company and sell licensed hats...like NHL hats, to retail stores all across Canada. Now you don't have to wonder.

I sell drugs.

 

[freakydallas13]

As for work, I own my own company and sell licensed hats...like NHL hats, to retail stores all across Canada. Now you don't have to wonder.

I'm an archivist, and my primary role is to appraise the value of different records.

So no one can argue with me about the value of anything, because it's literally my job to appraise and assign value. Contrarians should keep this in mind

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I always appreciate how you weave context and nuance into the big picture, Jojo. The Walker trade sequence is about as good as it can get; receiving an undervalued player as part of a bigger trade, having him excel in his time on the Flyers, and trading him for a 1st (vacuum sound here sucking up the peripherals and missing margin-value-getting). Petersen was ... as expected. I didn't see any of his time on the Phantoms but he seemed okay in his short time as backup until he forgot how to goal against Pittsburgh. They had nothing to lose sending him down as there was no risk (and even a smidgen of hope) that he would get claimed.

I don't see the bigger picture to Krug making sense, though. Sense as in the Flyers trying to get out of Sanheim's big contract before the NTC kicked in? As part of a proposed bigger deal?


I sell drugs.

Oh my fault for not expanding on that a bit. The Sanheim idea was terrible. I just meant that I can see the thought process behind Krug as a reasonable current negative who could have bounced back. The contract was horrendous. But as a player, I can squint and see it.

 

[GKJ]

Just thinkin’ about stuff today

 

[mja]

As I suspected, there is a distinct lack of dentists posting in this thread.

 

[hockeynormy]

RyJo's agent is also Cutter's agent...

just saying

 

[Laveuglette]

Whiners gonna complain because they always do, this is very good value.