Here's one for the analytics buffs. How does a team allow the fewest goals in the league and then give up the most in 5 po games in history. And don't give me the too small of a sample size bs.
Confirmed with Link: Scott Arniel named Winnipeg Jets head coach
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tbcwpg
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I feel like someone who doesn't really get the purpose of analytics in hockey and pro sport in general would ask this question.
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I didn’t mind Arniel’s presser. Happy he’s going to get fresh assistants. You can tell he’s pumped to get a second shot at it and he has some forward thinking ideas. He was honest and candid about shortfalls as opposed to deflecting - a good sign in my books
It did remind me that before he was hired in Columbus, he had some hype as an up and coming coach after his success with the Moose.
Not my personal first or second or third choice but I am not beating the drum against or throwing up pitchforks against him either and willing to give him a full year next season. He is our coach now and I look forward to the fresh air and changes he makes while trying to build upon Bones success
I just hope the leash isn’t one that is infinitely long should we take one or more steps back
It did remind me that before he was hired in Columbus, he had some hype as an up and coming coach after his success with the Moose.
Not my personal first or second or third choice but I am not beating the drum against or throwing up pitchforks against him either and willing to give him a full year next season. He is our coach now and I look forward to the fresh air and changes he makes while trying to build upon Bones success
I just hope the leash isn’t one that is infinitely long should we take one or more steps back
Okay I'll ask it this way, what was the probability of the Jets giving up the most goals ever in a 5 game series based on the regular season analytical data.
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Sounds like the players wanted him back too.Actually i liked how the Jets played under Arniel when Bowness was away, 9-2 is a pretty good record , I'm going with that not i think Arniel sucks so he sucks.
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Always thought Bryan Little would make an excellent coach.
Maybe Someone like Martin Gelinas . Not sure how he did, but he was in charge of both PK and PP in his role as an assistant with the Flames. Don’t think he’s employed at the moment.
Just throwing out shot in the dark guesses.
Who else does everyone have on their BINGO card?
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I would really like to have a few of their young players but they still have quite a way to go to be competitive. No guarantee they will get there with the roster they have.
Based on my limited knowledge, this is how I understand it too. Was sort of with the times back in the Maurice-era, but mostly used in the front office and by very few folks - coaches more or less actually looked into it when it was more to confirm their suspicions about something (or not). Also invested in Sportlogiq early on when they were first arriving on the scene, but again, not sure how much of it actually got from the front office to the locker room.
The Bowness mantra of playing "Jets Hockey" was sorely needed in the dressing room, but the rigidness to the scheme, system, game plan, roles, and preconceived notions of what players could or couldn't do (and a refusal to find out during an 82-game season) resulted in two consecutive gentleman's sweeps in the playoffs. Who knows what Arniel actually does versus what he's saying today, but colour me intrigued if he gets buy-in amongst his staff and in the room (cough cough, Scheifele) to be more open to receiving and using more information - I suppose his whole idea around doing a summit is simply just to raise the baseline for understanding of what's out there (and cohesively within TNSE/WJHC), because the Jets have very obviously fallen behind the times on that front.
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I don't think there's a way to measure that, but if there is it's probably quite low.
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Well Brad Berry has been Arniel's assistant in 2 of his head coaching stints. Currently HC at UND. He'd be a candidate as a d-coach I suppose. Baumgartner was an assistant for Arniel with the Wolves, and he is in the organization already so that seems more likely to me.
PP guy, no idea...I'll say Paul Mac Lean for nostalgia.
Just for shits and giggles...
Here is Mike Commodore's take on Scott Arniel..
From 6 hours ago...
Starts @ 1:10 in...
Wow just a little bitter.
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Tldr: commodore over rates his own talent after accusing arniel of doing the same thing. I don't think the public quite grasp how arrogant pro athletes are.Wow just a little bitter.
Thechozen1
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Sounds like Commodore just can’t come to grips with himself and his lack of talent and commitment as he aged. More than one coach in more than one organization had the same opinion of his play and rightfully healthy scratched him. He’s just bitter and continues to blame everybody but himself. Big baby!!!!
Of course there is. Corsi, xga, xgf are just probability of outcome.
You can throw all the regular season probability outcomes out the window because as we all saw first hand the playoffs are not the regular season.
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I mean all the probabilities identified by analytics were proven - pionk overplayed, connor-scheif not driving play overall, Stan worse than Schmidt who was worse than Miller... just didn't predict the helle collapse
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slow forwards, tiny D and leakybuyck stinking the crease...and add to that a total lack of intensity for a team who didn't really look like they even wanted to be in the playoff's!
Changes need to be made
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So what's your point regarding analytics? The Jets were one team of 16 in the playoffs. Have you gone through the other teams to see how they've changed from the regular season to the playoffs, if they have in any significant way?
Jets lost every aspect of the game including their perceived statistical advantages. No forecheck, no neutral zone gap control, couldn't get out of their own end. This was total domination that not even super beast helle mode could save.
You can't measure the size of a players heart. The playoffs are about refusing to lose not who has the best x and o.
The Jets' whole identity in the regular season was built on keeping the puck out of the net, so when Hellebuyck collapsed, they just lost composure. If Super Beast Hellebuyck had turned up at some point, they might have been able to recover. They didn't just fluke their way to 110 points in the regular season.
They were dominated anyone who watched the series knows it. Blaming helle for not being super human is wacko.
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Not all statistical probabilities were proven...
Cough cough Helle cough
Edit: re-checked xGF% rankings - forgot to hit submit on naturalstatstrick for regular season
