Joe Hallenback
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I think people have taken the term "midling" way too serious. I mean it means average not dead last
Bang on.slow forwards, tiny D and leakybuyck stinking the crease...and add to that a total lack of intensity for a team who didn't really look like they even wanted to be in the playoff's!
Changes need to be made
I don't think anyone is blaming him for not being superhuman, but he's a big part of our success and we rely in him to be .910+ to give us a chance to winThey were dominated anyone who watched the series knows it. Blaming helle for not being super human is wacko.
Yes, but a big part of why they were dominated was because they were reeling - and when the Jets are reeling, Hellebuyck normally holds down the fort enough for them to get their shit together.They were dominated anyone who watched the series knows it. Blaming helle for not being super human is wacko.
Honestly your anti-analytics campaign is getting as hard to take as the Perfetti or bust crew...Not all statistical probabilities were proven...
Cough cough Helle cough
Edit: re-checked xGF% rankings - forgot to hit submit on naturalstatstrick for regular season
I'm not anti-analytics at all. They're a useful toolHonestly your anti-analytics campaign is getting as hard to take as the Perfetti or bust crew...
I haven't seen one post that says analytics are the be all end all... but it seems like you have.
Like its hard to follow what point you're actually trying to make anymore![]()
You can't measure the size of a players heart. The playoffs are about refusing to lose not who has the best x and o.
Yet the narrative around here and in the media was about the lack of adjustments to what Colorado was doing. It was about how Colorado adjusted their game plan to how the Jets like to defend. In the Dallas-Colorado series it was about how Dallas adapted to the Colorado PP to effectively neuter it. Even Bowness, in the Oilers-Stars series demonstrated what Dallas is trying to do with the quick exit by the weak side winger and looking to transition up the ice rapidly.
It's not solely an effort thing. You need to prepare your team for success with a game plan and the players need to execute that game plan properly.
I mean connor-scheif-ehlers met the eye test too.... same as pionk...I'm not anti-analytics at all. They're a useful tool
I'm "anti-basing-judgements-of-players-and-lineup-decisions-soley-on-analytics"
There are a few posters on here that would fall into that IMHO
according to thomas vanek arneil was the best pp coach he ever had
Why would you assume "so many people" do not know that you need to play smart?Yup, what's the old adage work smarter not harder.
It's amazing that so many people think that just working harder allows younto overcome the obstacles. Working harder is a part of it no doubt, but that effort needs to be applied the correct way.
Bang on.slow forwards, tiny D and leakybuyck stinking the crease...and add to that a total lack of intensity for a team who didn't really look like they even wanted to be in the playoff's!
Changes need to be made
Of course they did, that’s what frauds do.The Jets' whole identity in the regular season was built on keeping the puck out of the net, so when Hellebuyck collapsed, they just lost composure. If Super Beast Hellebuyck had turned up at some point, they might have been able to recover. They didn't just fluke their way to 110 points in the regular season.
Colorado out worked them, won the puck battles, went to the dirty areas in front of the net and interred with our forwards trying to get in on the forecheck.Yet the narrative around here and in the media was about the lack of adjustments to what Colorado was doing. It was about how Colorado adjusted their game plan to how the Jets like to defend. In the Dallas-Colorado series it was about how Dallas adapted to the Colorado PP to effectively neuter it. Even Bowness, in the Oilers-Stars series demonstrated what Dallas is trying to do with the quick exit by the weak side winger and looking to transition up the ice rapidly.
It's not solely an effort thing. You need to prepare your team for success with a game plan and the players need to execute that game plan properly.
I think we can all agree that schief and Connor together aren't ideal... which makes me think there's a "we like to play together" elementI mean connor-scheif-ehlers met the eye test too.... same as pionk...
It's a pretty fair argument to say we would have faired better in the first round if we had followed analytics to maximize player pairings and usage
Colorado out worked them, won the puck battles, went to the dirty areas in front of the net and interred with our forwards trying to get in on the forecheck.
All Dallas did was take away their speed in the neutral zone and went into a 1.2.2. Like the Rangers do.
Don't confuse analytics and adjustments. Bowness didn't adjust because the analytics in the regular season told him he didn't have to.
You're right...I'm not confusing analytics with adjustments but only one of us wrote "the playoffs are about refusing to lose not who has the best x and o". The Xs and Os do play a gigantic part.
And analytics can influence the Xs and Os. For example, they can determine that the Jets give up more goals when the puck is dumped in on the right side, or that the Jets struggle more with zone entries where the puck is carried in as opposed to dump and chase. If Pionk struggles to move the puck quickly, "just try harder" isn't going to be the solution.
Sure and they are both going to come to Winnipeg to be assistant coachesArnie should hire McLellan to run the D and PK and Gallant to run the forwards and PP.
Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Spam, and Bang.
Jesus old Henry, the playoffs last too long when you are out fast in the first round
i think it's insane that by June 1st the stanley cup finals will not even be close to starting. it's a winter sport ffs.Jesus the playoffs last too long when you are out fast in the first round, how about we change that next season Jets and at least get to the second round.