Confirmed with Link: Scott Arniel named Winnipeg Jets head coach

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They were dominated anyone who watched the series knows it. Blaming helle for not being super human is wacko.
Yes, but a big part of why they were dominated was because they were reeling - and when the Jets are reeling, Hellebuyck normally holds down the fort enough for them to get their shit together.

The Jets were drowning and instead of throwing them the life preserver they've come to expect, Hellebuyck threw them an anvil.
 
Not all statistical probabilities were proven...

Cough cough Helle cough

Edit: re-checked xGF% rankings - forgot to hit submit on naturalstatstrick for regular season
Honestly your anti-analytics campaign is getting as hard to take as the Perfetti or bust crew...

I haven't seen one post that says analytics are the be all end all... but it seems like you have.

Like its hard to follow what point you're actually trying to make anymore :DD
 
Honestly your anti-analytics campaign is getting as hard to take as the Perfetti or bust crew...

I haven't seen one post that says analytics are the be all end all... but it seems like you have.

Like its hard to follow what point you're actually trying to make anymore :DD
I'm not anti-analytics at all. They're a useful tool

I'm "anti-basing-judgements-of-players-and-lineup-decisions-soley-on-analytics"

There are a few posters on here that would fall into that IMHO
 
You can't measure the size of a players heart. The playoffs are about refusing to lose not who has the best x and o.

Yet the narrative around here and in the media was about the lack of adjustments to what Colorado was doing. It was about how Colorado adjusted their game plan to how the Jets like to defend. In the Dallas-Colorado series it was about how Dallas adapted to the Colorado PP to effectively neuter it. Even Bowness, in the Oilers-Stars series demonstrated what Dallas is trying to do with the quick exit by the weak side winger and looking to transition up the ice rapidly.

It's not solely an effort thing. You need to prepare your team for success with a game plan and the players need to execute that game plan properly.
 
Yet the narrative around here and in the media was about the lack of adjustments to what Colorado was doing. It was about how Colorado adjusted their game plan to how the Jets like to defend. In the Dallas-Colorado series it was about how Dallas adapted to the Colorado PP to effectively neuter it. Even Bowness, in the Oilers-Stars series demonstrated what Dallas is trying to do with the quick exit by the weak side winger and looking to transition up the ice rapidly.

It's not solely an effort thing. You need to prepare your team for success with a game plan and the players need to execute that game plan properly.

Yup, what's the old adage work smarter not harder.

It's amazing that so many people think that just working harder allows younto overcome the obstacles. Working harder is a part of it no doubt, but that effort needs to be applied the correct way.
 
Arnie should hire McLellan to run the D and PK and Gallant to run the forwards and PP.
 
I'm not anti-analytics at all. They're a useful tool

I'm "anti-basing-judgements-of-players-and-lineup-decisions-soley-on-analytics"

There are a few posters on here that would fall into that IMHO
I mean connor-scheif-ehlers met the eye test too.... same as pionk...

It's a pretty fair argument to say we would have faired better in the first round if we had followed analytics to maximize player pairings and usage
 
Yup, what's the old adage work smarter not harder.

It's amazing that so many people think that just working harder allows younto overcome the obstacles. Working harder is a part of it no doubt, but that effort needs to be applied the correct way.
Why would you assume "so many people" do not know that you need to play smart?
It's pretty obvious that players / teams ramp it up in the playoffs - so anyone calling that out is not wrong.
Playing smarter is also part of it - but it's wrong to assume that "people" who don't mention this in the same breath, are missing that point.
 
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The Jets' whole identity in the regular season was built on keeping the puck out of the net, so when Hellebuyck collapsed, they just lost composure. If Super Beast Hellebuyck had turned up at some point, they might have been able to recover. They didn't just fluke their way to 110 points in the regular season.
Of course they did, that’s what frauds do.
 
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Yet the narrative around here and in the media was about the lack of adjustments to what Colorado was doing. It was about how Colorado adjusted their game plan to how the Jets like to defend. In the Dallas-Colorado series it was about how Dallas adapted to the Colorado PP to effectively neuter it. Even Bowness, in the Oilers-Stars series demonstrated what Dallas is trying to do with the quick exit by the weak side winger and looking to transition up the ice rapidly.

It's not solely an effort thing. You need to prepare your team for success with a game plan and the players need to execute that game plan properly.
Colorado out worked them, won the puck battles, went to the dirty areas in front of the net and interred with our forwards trying to get in on the forecheck.

All Dallas did was take away their speed in the neutral zone and went into a 1.2.2. Like the Rangers do.

Don't confuse analytics and adjustments. Bowness didn't adjust because the analytics in the regular season told him he didn't have to.
 
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I mean connor-scheif-ehlers met the eye test too.... same as pionk...

It's a pretty fair argument to say we would have faired better in the first round if we had followed analytics to maximize player pairings and usage
I think we can all agree that schief and Connor together aren't ideal... which makes me think there's a "we like to play together" element

The point I've made all along is that you can't just dismiss those kinds of things when deciding line combos. The second and third order consequences of pissing off your two leading scorers aren't nothing
 
Colorado out worked them, won the puck battles, went to the dirty areas in front of the net and interred with our forwards trying to get in on the forecheck.

All Dallas did was take away their speed in the neutral zone and went into a 1.2.2. Like the Rangers do.

Don't confuse analytics and adjustments. Bowness didn't adjust because the analytics in the regular season told him he didn't have to.

I'm not confusing analytics with adjustments but only one of us wrote "the playoffs are about refusing to lose not who has the best x and o". The Xs and Os do play a gigantic part.

And analytics can influence the Xs and Os. For example, they can determine that the Jets give up more goals when the puck is dumped in on the right side, or that the Jets struggle more with zone entries where the puck is carried in as opposed to dump and chase. If Pionk struggles to move the puck quickly, "just try harder" isn't going to be the solution.
 
I'm not confusing analytics with adjustments but only one of us wrote "the playoffs are about refusing to lose not who has the best x and o". The Xs and Os do play a gigantic part.

And analytics can influence the Xs and Os. For example, they can determine that the Jets give up more goals when the puck is dumped in on the right side, or that the Jets struggle more with zone entries where the puck is carried in as opposed to dump and chase. If Pionk struggles to move the puck quickly, "just try harder" isn't going to be the solution.
You're right...

But conversely, no amount of analytics or x's and o's would have won us that series without much higher effort and intensity levels.

So you're both right
 
Arniel was hardly as bad as people want to make out in Columbus. Just look at the roster he had there. In the first year he was one game below .500. With that roster that is actually quite impressive. The 11 and 25 second season there is probably more reflective on that horrible roster than the coaching. His success with the Moose is excellent. Four seasons of 45-46-50-40 wins is pretty impressive. He was with the Caps when they won their cup so he's also been privy to a successful run in the playoffs. He's also paid his dues as an assistant. I'll reserve judgement on whether this was a good hiring by what I see on the ice in the second month of the season. The first month is a grace period while he hopefully makes adjustments to the systems, etc.
 

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