Confirmed with Link: Scott Arniel named Winnipeg Jets head coach

[Jets 31]

Dude, the Jets could have hired Crusty the Clown and you would say "give the guy a chance".

Actually i liked how the Jets played under Arniel when Bowness was away, 9-2 is a pretty good record , I'm going with that not i think Arniel sucks so he sucks.

 

[KingBogo]

I also picked up on the 5/10% better comment and was relieved to hear it was more about players pushing themselves vs just getting "better"
I'd think this will be a priority for the coaching staff to monitor and react if the players / leaders struggle with self motivation.

I've always take it as a way to get everyone on the same page that we have to take the next step. Somehow this team needs to find a way to push past regular season success to playoff success.

 

[KingBogo]

Just listened to the interview and was very pleased. Apologies for quoting myself, but I wanted to expand on the points I made.
1) Definitely appeared to be a young 61 year old, mostly in good ways. Aside from being in robust physical health, he presented himself as someone who has grown since his Columbus experience and is continuing to learn the game. Interestingly, he may have been much more of a gruff know-it-all when he started than he is now. Bob Dylan wrote the famous lyrics, "I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now". That perfectly describes what I am seeing.

2) He is very honest about his past, has spent that last 12 years learning to be better, and is open to young assistant coaches and new ideas. This is not a lifer who is resting on his laurels.
3) He fired Lauer and is looking for new blood. I think some here may be pleasantly surprised at who he attracts.
His comments about analytics were refreshing, if not surprising. The Jets have taken a very pedestrian approach to this for the past few years but Scott recognizes that they are a real and growing part of the game. Hallelujah!

Honestly, I am happier with the state of the team after this interview than I have been since well before the playoffs, when I had a real sense of despair about their unwillingness to adapt and change.

This a good post, but It is very probable the team already employs analytics to a much greater extent than assumed. The Jets have 4 people already on staff that does this full time. My guess is the things we throw around like xGF% is pretty much at the stone age cave drawings stage that even the teams least bought in are well past. The much harder part is getting players to adjust their games based on team analytics, and Arniel alluded to this a couple times by throwing out caution.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

I’m not sure what Samberg offers over JoMo on the PP. I don’t see replacing JoMo on unit 1. Maybe a shot on unit 2 but I see Samberg as more of defensive & shot blocking type.

More balancing PP2... I think pp1 benefits more from a shot if we have monahan and vilardi

And might be nice for Morrissey to rest... once in a while or for us not to be fkd if he's injured

 

[raideralex99]

Is this true?

 

[Guardian17]

 

[kanadalainen]

Is this true?
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[Gm0ney]

Wish I could bump the Rick Bowness thread... there was a very real Brad Lauer love-in after 2023 season - he ran an efficient power play and was the answer to our scoring woes haha

Here's Lauer's entire tenure as PP coach for the Jets:

Started off well, then the Jets went into a powerplay slump that happened to coincide with Lauer's absence from the team due to a herniated disk (from around mid-January 2023 until March-ish maybe? Not exactly sure when he returned).

Anyway, once that slump began, it never really recovered until it hit its nadir around mid-February of this year. Then there was a huge bounce when Monahan joined the team but soon regressed back to the 2-year mean of 19%.

19% over two years was the 22nd best (or 10th worst, if you prefer) powerplay efficiency in the league. The Oilers had the best powerplay with a 29.5% conversion rate, and the Flyers were the worst with 13.8% (don't hire whoever was coaching the Philly PP).

 

[John Agar]

Just for shits and giggles...

Here is Mike Commodore's take on Scott Arniel..

From 6 hours ago...

Starts @ 1:10 in...

 

[LowLefty]

This a good post, but It is very probable the team already employs analytics to a much greater extent than assumed. The Jets have 4 people already on staff that does this full time. My guess is the things we throw around like xGF% is pretty much at the stone age cave drawings stage that even the teams least bought in are well past. The much harder part is getting players to adjust their games based on team analytics, and Arniel alluded to this a couple times by throwing out caution.

I picked up on that reference to caution as well - and I also heard him say something along the lines of how stats can be interpreted to support both sides of an argument - which is what I thought he meant by "being careful" with how they are communicated to the players.

 

[The Blue Baron]

Just for shits and giggles...

Here is Mike Commodore's take on Scott Arniel..

From 6 hours ago...

Starts @ 1:10 in...

Dude sure likes his F bombs. Does he realize that makes him sound like a Blimey heathen when he speaks?

He might be suffering from something either knowingly or unknowingly.

Poor chap.

 

[Cnile]

Just for shits and giggles...

Here is Mike Commodore's take on Scott Arniel..

From 6 hours ago...

Starts @ 1:10 in...

Lionel Bitchie of the Commodores

 

[BoneDocUK]

This a good post, but It is very probable the team already employs analytics to a much greater extent than assumed. The Jets have 4 people already on staff that does this full time. My guess is the things we throw around like xGF% is pretty much at the stone age cave drawings stage that even the teams least bought in are well past. The much harder part is getting players to adjust their games based on team analytics, and Arniel alluded to this a couple times by throwing out caution.

Yeah, not sure. Several who report on the team have noted that the Jets are -- or at least are viewed as -- lagging behind there. See below, but this topic has come up a few times. I have no idea whether they're at the bleeding edge of the league, but it doesn't seem likely. Though whatever they use in-house is going to be far more detailed and nuanced than publically available.

Also guessing that any investment in analytics is only as good as a team, coaching staff and players' willingness to execute the best ideas it generates. My guess is that Arniel may be more inclined to view analytics as useful than Bones. Maybe his coaching hires will shed some light.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5499590/2024/05/17/winnipeg-jets-scott-arniel-pros-cons/

I’ve reached out to the Jets to speak to their analytics staff. For now, it’s a no — although it’s possible that a conversation happens in the future, once Winnipeg sorts out its coaching search. In the meantime, I think it’s fair to share that sources on other teams have generally portrayed Winnipeg’s activities on this front as middling or less than that. Perhaps more information will reveal a different viewpoint.

To be clear, I don’t view Arniel as an anti-analytics, closed-minded dinosaur. He strikes me as a thoughtful and articulate person, while Marty Johnston and Matt Prefontaine have experience working with analytics. I do think it’s fair to suggest that Arniel isn’t an up-and-comer with revolutionary ideas and a hunger to change the systems that came before him.

 

[Cnile]

Dude sure likes his F bombs. Does he realize that makes him sound like a Blimey heathen when he speaks?

He might be suffering from something either knowingly or unknowingly.

Poor chap.

He sounds like Brother Jakes “ The Champ”

 

[bustamente]

He sounds like Brother Jakes “ The Champ”

 

[Andy6]

To be clear, I don’t view Arniel as an anti-analytics, closed-minded dinosaur. He strikes me as a thoughtful and articulate person, while Marty Johnston and Matt Prefontaine have experience working with analytics. I do think it’s fair to suggest that Arniel isn’t an up-and-comer with revolutionary ideas and a hunger to change the systems that came before him.

Are there any analytics on the correlation between a team's level of buy-in on analytics and its success on the ice?

 

[KingBogo]

Yeah, not sure. Several who report on the team have noted that the Jets are -- or at least are viewed as -- lagging behind there. See below, but this topic has come up a few times. I have no idea whether they're at the bleeding edge of the league, but it doesn't seem likely. Though whatever they use in-house is going to be far more detailed and nuanced than publically available.

Also guessing that any investment in analytics is only as good as a team, coaching staff and players' willingness to execute the best ideas it generates. My guess is that Arniel may be more inclined to view analytics as useful than Bones. Maybe his coaching hires will shed some light.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5499590/2024/05/17/winnipeg-jets-scott-arniel-pros-cons/

I’ve reached out to the Jets to speak to their analytics staff. For now, it’s a no — although it’s possible that a conversation happens in the future, once Winnipeg sorts out its coaching search. In the meantime, I think it’s fair to share that sources on other teams have generally portrayed Winnipeg’s activities on this front as middling or less than that. Perhaps more information will reveal a different viewpoint.

To be clear, I don’t view Arniel as an anti-analytics, closed-minded dinosaur. He strikes me as a thoughtful and articulate person, while Marty Johnston and Matt Prefontaine have experience working with analytics. I do think it’s fair to suggest that Arniel isn’t an up-and-comer with revolutionary ideas and a hunger to change the systems that came before him.

I take this all with a grain of salt. The Jets won't share anything more than they absolutely have to. Do you believe the posters and media around here know more about internal metrics of the team than the 4 full time analytical staff that are able to break down film in comparison to metrics? This is one of the biggest blind spots of the collective wisdom of this board. No different then someone googling their medical symptoms and compares their knowledge of their ailments favourably to their doctors understanding.

 

[Gm0ney]

He sounds like Brother Jakes “ The Champ”

"He says 'you're out tonight!' I says 'Pardon?'"

Commie sounds like a guy with a chip on his shoulder. His last stretch in Columbus he was not good...

 

[surixon]

I take this all with a grain of salt. The Jets won't share anything more than they absolutely have to. Do you believe the posters and media around here know more about internal metrics of the team than the 4 full time analytical staff that are able to break down film in comparison to metrics? This is one of the biggest blind spots of the collective wisdom of this board. No different then someone googling their medical symptoms and compares their knowledge of their ailments favourably to their doctors understanding.

My guess is it is as Chevy said, certain coaches want certain things and use the data differently. To me the talk was on ensuring that Arniel and his staff were in alignment with the analytics department on what information they wanted and how they wanted it.

I got the sense that Arniel plans on using data more then what they used it in the past. Specifically talking about wanting to find what the best teams do and then try to emulate it. That to me looks like a different approach to Bones who seemed more rigid in his schemes.

Anyhow I'm sure we've always been using analytics in some form. Arniel seems to want to prioritize them maybe more so then Bones.

"He says 'you're out tonight!' I says 'Pardon?'"

Commie sounds like a guy with a chip on his shoulder. His last stretch in Columbus he was not good...

Some of these players just aren't accountable for their own failings. Have to blame the coach or someone else.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

Yeah, like as if we didn't know this was going to happen.

 

[Zippity]

Why are they keeping the other statue Marty?

 

[scelaton]

This a good post, but It is very probable the team already employs analytics to a much greater extent than assumed. The Jets have 4 people already on staff that does this full time. My guess is the things we throw around like xGF% is pretty much at the stone age cave drawings stage that even the teams least bought in are well past. The much harder part is getting players to adjust their games based on team analytics, and Arniel alluded to this a couple times by throwing out caution.

We will have to see. I may have mentioned previously that my son's buddy was on the Jets' analytics staff for a while so I have some insight into their work. It was very much entry-level stats analysis and, IMO, produced a lot of noise.
The end goal, as you alluded to, is to provide meaningful input to the strategy for players and coaches. If the players don't buy it (and some key ones haven't) that is a significant limitation. But if the coach does not how to ask for the right information or believe what he is given, it's a bigger limitation in today's NHL. That was a weakness of Bones IMO. If the Jets are going to get 10% better, to use their words, that's the margin where analytics-informed strategy can make a difference.

 

[Buffdog]

Are there any analytics on the correlation between a team's level of buy-in on analytics and its success on the ice?

If there were, it would be shoved down our throats nonstop by analytics proponents

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

Sounds like we'll hear about the rest of the staff sometime this week the way Arnie was talking. Also sounds like he's interested in getting some up and comers on the staff if they have some fresh ideas

 

[BoneDocUK]

I take this all with a grain of salt. The Jets won't share anything more than they absolutely have to. Do you believe the posters and media around here know more about internal metrics of the team than the 4 full time analytical staff that are able to break down film in comparison to metrics? This is one of the biggest blind spots of the collective wisdom of this board. No different then someone googling their medical symptoms and compares their knowledge of their ailments favourably to their doctors understanding.

In my line o' work, I am eminently familiar with the issue.

Maybe the Jets lead the league in analytics. Maybe The Summit will reveal all.

Are there any analytics on the correlation between a team's level of buy-in on analytics and its success on the ice?

If there are, I'm sure the Jets have their best people on it.