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Are you scared, or excited for what Drury does next?

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NYSPORTS said:
two things imo

#1 - the future salary cap crunch is the issue. That doesn’t sink in with everybody. Especially the group who wants to keep everybody and offer bridge deals across the board

#2 - Time, amazingly camp opens in Sept and we’re already close to August. If you don’t move pieces now you may not have them. We’re still in a Covid world.
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. I don’t ignore those statements. I understand them. Still think I made a fair point
 
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tlk said:
and it's totally understandable. We've lost an asset and a fan favorite etc
but was there an alternative? after seeing other trades and knowing our potential cap problems down the line.. would you yourself say so?
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Think this is a case of Drury overvaluing the player in return than the other trade offers.

There was a market for Buch, and a good one. Drury targeted a specific player and because of it, got 45 cents on the dollar for Buch.

Even if Blais turns into Callahan 2.0, it's still an awful trade because of asset management.
 
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tlk said:
and it's totally understandable. We've lost an asset and a fan favorite etc
but was there an alternative? after seeing other trades and knowing our potential cap problems down the line.. would you yourself say so?
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. First off I wasn’t even a huge Buch fan. I liked him and enjoyed his growth this year but I’ve said for the past few months I was totally fine with shopping him. My issue was that the return was light
 
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The Crypto Guy said:
Think you should wait till he makes a few decent moves before trying to defend him. Right now he has done garbage. At least Gorton made 4 good moves before 1 bad move.
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IIRC Gorton's first trade was for Eric Staal. His first 1st rounder was Lias Andersson and his first big UFA was Kevin Shattenkirk. His first significant organizational hire was McCambridge to coach Hartford.

Drury fired a coach most people hated and hired probably the best one available. He extended a favorite defenseman. Traded the worst player on the team. Everyone thought these things were good but glosses over then because they hate the Buchnevich deal and the Goodrow contract. And that's fine, to each their own, but it's disingenuous.

This thread is filled with all this talk of his "recent moves" like he's spun ten trades gutting the farm system and turning over half the roster.
 
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Zats Muccarello said:
If no Eichel then why did we give Buch away for free?
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UFA? Danault as center or Landeskog as a replacement, and we just arbitraged a pick and a roster player? I hope that’s the case, for Drury’s sake. Otherwise, I’m at a total loss.
 
SRHRangers said:
Even in that scenario, no excuse for getting 45 cents on the dollar for Buch.
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I agree that we got crap in return. I’m just trying to understand why he would take that crap unless it’s part of a bigger strategy. Maybe the deal was finalized with Buffalo, and the Sabres backed out at the last second? That would be pretty terrible too. I’m just trying to understand.
 
Any truth to the buzz about Drury making Brad Aldrich his AGM? Would that have you guys more worried?
 
Zats Muccarello said:
Agree, if the value really wasn't there then they should have qualified him and re-visited a trade after the draft/signing period. Makes absolutely no sense and its really irking me
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While this sounds plausible, I just can't imagine making a deal without seeing JE's medical records first. THAT, to me, would be a fire-able offense.
 
CasusBelli said:
I agree that we got crap in return. I’m just trying to understand why he would take that crap unless it’s part of a bigger strategy. Maybe the deal was finalized with Buffalo, and the Sabres backed out at the last second? That would be pretty terrible too. I’m just trying to understand.
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Make it easier to understand.

We got Isiah Thomas in the Rangers office. Lol
 
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nyr2k2 said:
IIRC Gorton's first trade was for Eric Staal. His first 1st rounder was Lias Andersson and his first big UFA was Kevin Shattenkirk. His first significant organizational hire was McCambridge to coach Hartford.

Drury fired a coach most people hated and hired probably the best one available. He extended a favorite defenseman. Traded the worst player on the team. Everyone thought these things were good but glosses over then because they hate the Buchnevich deal and the Goodrow contract. And that's fine, to each their own, but it's disingenuous.

This thread is filled with all this talk of his "recent moves" like he's spun ten trades gutting the farm system and turning over half the roster.
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I think it's ok to say our best trade chip was given away for pennies and to hold Drury accountable for that.

What Gorton did or didn't do is irrelevant at this point. Drury is in charge... he hired (hopefully) the right coach but be honest, that wasn't hard to do. He extended Lindgren... again not a tough move.

But when shit was really on the line he took the 3rd strike without swinging and it could & no doubt will have far reaching ramifications.

You can't galvanize a rebuild in one move but you can certainly ruin it.

Time will tell if this move did.
 
Riche16 said:
I think it's ok to say our best trade chip was given away for pennies and to hold Drury accountable for that.

What Gorton did or didn't do is irrelevant at this point. Drury is in charge... he hired (hopefully) the right coach but be honest, that wasn't hard to do. He extended Lindgren... again not a tough move.

But when shit was really on the line he took the 3rd strike without swinging and it could & no doubt will have far reaching ramifications.

You can't galvanize a rebuild in one move but you can certainly ruin it.

Time will tell if this move did.
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He did not ruin the rebuild by getting 50% less than we felt he could have for Buch.

Subsequent moves will determine where we end up, but right now we are Howden, Blackwell and Buch out and Blais, Goodrow, 2nd, 4th in. We knew Buch would be going. We wanted to get get grittier and have it not be talentless goons like Glass or Bickel but actual guys who could contribute. We got that. I don’t think the Goodrow deal is as bad as you guys do because I don’t see Goodrow as a purely bottom six signing. I think he’ll see a lot of minutes in the top six to shake things up and energize our lines, if not just be Panarin’s full time linemate. If that’s his usage, his cap hit is fine. Blais is a good addition who brings everything we’ve wanted and has upside. This board is suicidal over what literally amounts to a 40-50% less return on an unsigned RFA we couldn’t afford to keep.

I’m not saying it wasn’t a bad return. I posted several times yesterday that I was unhappy with it. I’m just not going to lose all perspective over something that is nowhere near as significant in the grand scheme of things as people are making it out to be.
 
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Honestly, we all have different wants. Some do want to acquire Eichel. Some are okay with packaging Chytil/Kravtsov and Lundkvist/Schneider plus for Larkin. All of us have our own idea of how we want this off season to go.

While I’d have loved a better pick and maybe a boom or bust prospect included in the Buch deal, those are assets for the back pocket, not the current roster. As far as the current roster, I would actually be 100% okay if we flipped Strome for a 1-2 year term defensive LHD to pair next to Lundkvist, signed Danault and called it a day. That’s just my personal take. I’ve posted dissertations by now regarding Danault’s underlying numbers and why I think getting him at anything under 6M would be a steal if he got Strome’s usage.

So, Strome for Soucy or Gavrikov or any similar LHD and roll out:

Laf - Zib - Kakko
Panarin - Danault - Kravtsov/Blais
Kreider - Chytil - Goodrow
Blais/Barron/Rooney/Gauthier
Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba
Soucy - Lundkvist
Shesterkin


A full year of healthy, more experienced Shesterkin. A deeper defense with a second quality puck mover and a physical, defensively sound Soucy. Progress from Laf/KK/Krav/Chytil. Much better grit and defensive responsibility from the forward core. Better on faceoffs. Better on the PK. Tougher to play against. Better balanced lineup. If KK or Krav can fill 80% of Buch’s shoes and Danault can put up 80% of Strome’s production (should be a piece of cake since he has out produced him at 5v5 every year without playing with Panarin) than the addition of Lundkvist and overall progress of the kids should nullify any lost offensive potency while the team overall should be significantly better defensively. I actually think that’s a team that is not just 100% a playoff team but has enough balance to make a deep run and some serious noise. Just my personal opinion, and one that I feel is very realistic since it involves trading zero kids or prospects, acquiring one 4-6 D man and signing one UFA we likely are looking at anyway.
 
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