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Are you scared, or excited for what Drury does next?

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Edge said:
What I don't understand is how these conversations drift into an either/or mindset.

For me, Buch being moved was a high probability. It was something we were going to have to do at some point, for a variety of reasons. My problem is less about moving him and more what we moved him for.

One can recognize the value in someone like Blais but not agree that should be a main component for someone like Buch. At the end of the day, I think we under-achieved on that return and it felt rushed rather than strategic.

I joke with people but the choices aren't cake or death. We can acquire tough players, but still expect more for a guy who scored at a 55 and 72 point pace the past two seasons.
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Blais should've been the throw in/sweetener to a deal for a first line two way talent, not the centerpiece.

People can try to spin this and try to find the water half filled all they want.

Fact is, Drury undersold an asset and got taken to the woodshed by a better, more experienced GM.
 
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SRHRangers said:
Blais should've been the throw in/sweetener to a deal for a first line two way talent, not the centerpiece.

People can try to spin this and try to find the water half filled all they want.

Fact is, Drury undersold an asset and got taken to the woodshed by a better, more experienced GM.
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I feel like I could’ve lived with a first and Blais or Blais and a LD. Okay we’re filling two positions and balancing the roster.

I really don’t have a problem with anyone we’ve acquired - roster or draft. I do think we didn’t quite manage or assets as best we could.
 
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SRHRangers said:
Blais should've been the throw in/sweetener to a deal for a first line two way talent, not the centerpiece.

People can try to spin this and try to find the water half filled all they want.

Fact is, Drury undersold an asset and got taken to the woodshed by a better, more experienced GM.
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but I thought sather was at the helm now?

I’m confused
 
Edge said:
I feel like I could’ve lived with a first and Blais or Blais and a LD. Okay we’re filling two positions and balancing the roster.

I really don’t have a problem with anyone we’ve acquired - roster or draft. I do think we didn’t quite manage or assets as best we could.
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And I will root for Blais hard, and hope he is an overachiever and becomes a fan favorite.

Same with Goodrow. Hope he becomes a 15-20 goal scorer.

But the moves will still be bad because they reached or undersold.
 
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Post the Garland and Reinhart deals, you can see why the return for Buch was so weak. The other primary buyers found better (or in VAN’s case, more creative) options.

Now we could’v held onto him at the deadline, but given we’re likely to be in the PO hunt, we run the risk of self renting him and getting nothing.
 
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NikC said:
What the frik is wrong with some of you? they parted ways with a sub 20g/50p forward as salary dump for other moves, you're acting like we lost a young Pavel Bure.

We've seen time and time again what players like Prust and Avery can do for a NY hockey team.. They're necessities and we overpay one
by $.5M and your soul is crushed?

Did you enjoy watching this young team get demoralized at the end of last year, seeing our star scorer ragdolled?
Watching the islanders shut us out, blow us out?

Was your head in a bubble the year before when the heart and soul of the franchise, the one and only Jasper Fast was knocked out by
a former defenseman that threw his first NHL hit?

Dolan had a right to be outraged! Its not about Tom Wilson. Players like him never go away. This team has no bite, no identity, no will to win or to impose their will on another opponent.
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That bit about Buch being “sub 20g/50p” is incredible disingenuous in a shortened season. He had 48 points in 53 games, well above that pace you suggest in an 82 game season.

He broke out this year and learned to play D. HES a legit top 6 forward.

The rest is just ra ra rhetoric.
 
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The return for Buch was poor. Blais is a player I actually wanted, that’s just now how I wanted to get him.

Either way, I have a better feeling about the team this year than last, especially with Gallant. I’m expecting steps from the kids we didn’t see under Quinn, and frankly, I welcome the addition of two much grittier players than we’ve had (if we’d had a mass talent exodus for grit, I’d feel differently, but we added two tough players who can actually play, and I like it).

Honestly I’m just waiting for the Strome trade at this point. Give me a gritty LHD to plug the third pair for a year or two.
 
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leetch99 said:
Plus he is just too soft and not what you need to win 16 games in the short season ....it's that simple . Those 16 games are war and it will be war getting out of our division and winning the first 8 games . A price will have to be paid and I don't think Eichel is that guy .
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I might feel more comfortable going after Landeskog at this point. Maybe we can live with Zib and Strome as our two top centers. But we need to do something about that hole Buch has left — and UFA is perhaps the most cost effective way to do that. Or maybe there’s another effective winger or center in the market? I don’t think we need Danault.
 
Edge said:
I feel like I could’ve lived with a first and Blais or Blais and a LD. Okay we’re filling two positions and balancing the roster.

I really don’t have a problem with anyone we’ve acquired - roster or draft. I do think we didn’t quite manage or assets as best we could

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. Exactly. If we got STL first I could live with it. It would have been a fair deal for a RFA who is obviously the more talented player
 
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brakeyawself said:
That bit about Buch being “sub 20g/50p” is incredible disingenuous in a shortened season. He had 48 points in 53 games, well above that pace you suggest in an 82 game season.

He broke out this year and learned to play D. HES a legit top 6 forward.

The rest is just ra ra rhetoric.
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First year breakout players, don't warrant huge returns, unless you think Drury has been turning down better offers for weeks.

Its not rhetoric.. its reality
 
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NikC said:
First year breakout players, don't warrant huge returns, unless you think Drury has been turning down better offers for weeks.

Its not rhetoric.. its reality
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He's not a first year breakout player though, bud. He's been consistently improving, year after year. Look at Kreider & Zibanejad with & without Buchnevich, it's been night and day. The fact is, he paced for 70 points (despite having to carry Mr. Invisible and COVID-Mika for half the season), and was a top-of-the-league PKer.

And that has far more value than a 2nd & a 4th liner. And that's not rhetoric, it's reality.
 
UnSandvich said:
He's not a first year breakout player though, bud. He's been consistently improving, year after year. Look at Kreider & Zibanejad with & without Buchnevich, it's been night and day. The fact is, he paced for 70 points (despite having to carry Mr. Invisible and COVID-Mika for half the season), and was a top-of-the-league PKer.

And that has far more value than a 2nd & a 4th liner. And that's not rhetoric, it's reality.
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Well Drury failed to convince the other GMs of this it seems, but at the end of the day he was a salary dump for other moves and different skillsets
 
I actually love the Goodrow signing, even at that price and term (hopefully he don't have the SC hangover) but the Buch move, while I understand the reason for moving him is still a bit of a head scratcher when it comes to the return.
Love the theory behind bringing in Blais but feel he's just not on the level of a true playoff performer and his role can easily be filled from within.
I would expect this type of trade to bring in a Coleman type at the very least..
 
nyr2k2 said:
I don't see it. At all. I mean we traded Buchnevich, which has seemed like an inevitability for a couple years. We didn't get any great young assets but we got a decent mucker and a second round pick; it's not like we traded him for a 33-year-old stopgap 2C that would be gone in a year.
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That’s what every hockey revisionist says. Of course it could have been worse. It always can be worse. But all in all, it was a horrible trade. But that’s not even the worst part. This trade shows me the FO is panicking with their moves. Maybe to appease Dolan?
 
nyr2k2 said:
Let's not forget Gorton was a guy who always signed some shitty goon to play in the bottom six, and signed Jack Johnson, and made his own fair share of questionable draft selections and handed out some poor contracts.
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Ok 1. I would much rather pay a guy for league minimum to play on the 4th line than give up assets for grit. Or commit over $20 million for it.

2. Gorton made bad moves for sure. I wanted him gone (though I’m not so sure about that anymore). But that has nothing to do with Drury.
 
Buchnevich89 said:
That’s what every hockey revisionist says. Of course it could have been worse. It always can be worse. But all in all, it was a horrible trade. But that’s not even the worst part. This trade shows me the FO is panicking with their moves. Maybe to appease Dolan?
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If you believe Brooks, which I do, we had been actively shopping Buchnevich for weeks. I can't really see it being a panic move. I mean who on this board wasn't hoping/fearing/expecting/suspecting that Buchnevich would be traded before, during, or right after the draft? Like, we've known this was a really likely scenario for a really long time. That the return sucked doesn't mean it was a panic move.

I mean even if you don't believe Brooks, everyone else has said there were at least a couple other offers out there. This wasn't some unexpected rush job out of left field. The reasons why Buchnevich was likely going to be traded and eventually was traded were covered ad nauseum here. I mean personally I would have liked to keep him, but I think it was clear once we extended Kreider and then lucked into Kakko and Lafreniere that Buchnevich was a goner.

The return sucked but the idea that this process was rushed or done simply to appease Dolan flies in the face of all the reporting, rumors, and speculation over the past year plus with respect to Buchnevich.
 
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