I addressed this before, I've only gone into Gorton's work because so many people in the past few days have said some variation of "Gorton would have never made this move/done better/etc.," or whatever. It's other people that seem to want to compare the two, not me. I'm just offering a reminder that at various points Gorton shit the bed as well, and rather than call for Drury's head over one or two moves, maybe we should wait and see how it comes together over his first off-season. Nothing he has done has fundamentally altered where we are as a franchise (other than bringing in Gallant).
Scared or Excited for Drury's moves?
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Rempe73
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If I missed it, my bad. I don’t read much hf anymore. In any case, Gorton has had his fair share of home run moves. I need to see some from Drury before I have faith in him. There is no doubt Drury can make some good moves in the future, but we need a GM who can make some great ones. And not just once in a blue moon.
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I think if we don’t move Strome, he ends up at 2RW with Chytil as 2C. Kakko becomes 1RW and Kravtsov as 3RW on a line with Kreider and whatever 3C we end up with. Maybe Danault or someone’ a bit cheaper.
Panarin has shown great chemistry with Chytil and obviously Strome. And Strome can take faceoffs until Chytil gets much better.
JUst a hunch. Landeskog is great but pricy. Even DAnault probably too expensive. I keep coming back to like Tyler Johnson as a possibility. Jaime Benn as 2C would be perfect IMO but a pipe dream.
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That first line is nonsense. And isn't any sort of actual "rule" or piece of "wisdom" that exists. You are just stating that "first year breakout players, don't warrant huge returns" without any evidence or reality to back it up. It's simply something you assume to be true so you state it as a matter of fact, when it's absolutely not.
Next. as far as Drury "turning down better offers for weeks", no. I think he shot his load too early though. And I absolutely think he could have held out for better.
And the "rhetoric" isn't factual either, just subjective opinion. Which you have every right to. But I just can't agree with much of it. "Demoralized"? I mean, sure they didn't look great, but there were more reasons why than just "grit". And last year was clearly a rebuilding year. I thought the run at the end of the season was half hearted and in a way, pointless. Anyone expecting us to be a playoff team last season, was dreaming. And that was ok.
Fast? I loved Fast here. But not really going to miss him a ton in the long run. His getting leveled was because the team had no "grit"?
Yea we get it, "grit", "physicality", "strength", these attributes are important in hockey. But they aren't worth as much, in value, compared with high end skill. And teams need to be balanced. But there are many ways to add "grit". Like in rounds 2-7 of the draft and free agency. When the team is ready to compete. Not moving a top 6 forward just to have some. We all ready added Goodrow. I'm curious what defensive pairs we will roll out, but I think they could be fairly balanced. For me, Miller is a guy who needs to use his size and strength more. We need Trouba playing a tougher game too. Lindgren is only 6 ft and provides more than both of them. But I really don't see the point in paying top 6 talent for a guy like Blais. If there was a player that actually brought "grit" with higher end skill, I would understand. But not for a guy like Blais.
Clearly, Drury drafted enough "grit" for days in this draft. So now we really shouldn't have to worry about it in the future. And I think even though Fox and this will be the case with Jones too, are only like 5'11, doesn't mean they are going to be pushed around easily. I actually think people are going to be surprised by how good Jones can be defensively and relatively tough for his size. We still have Kreider, Kakko I think can be "gritty". Ziban when he wants to be. Part of the toughness problem is we have so many young guys. Many of whom, as they get better and older, will also get tougher. I seriously think that has more to do with our "toughness" problem than anything. Young guys usually need time to learn how to play tougher, across the board. There's no reason Laf should be pushed around when he matures. And Kravtsov can be so much more than a finesse player if he wants. He's got the size and frame. Then we still have Rooney, Gauthier whom I think can bring those traits to the table, Barron might be up at some point. I'm not even sure where Blais actually fits in beyond depth.
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I thought about that a bit. I am not sure he's what we need. Is he better than Chytil long term? I think at least Chytil's ceiling is no lower than Reinhart, but probably a bit higher. And I don't think he would be ideal as a 3C. Well, in that I think Ziba and Chytil will, likely this upcoming season, be our 1C/2C with Strome on Chytil's wing at 2RW. So I actually think ultimately we will end up getting someone to slot in at 3C. I'm thinking someone like Tyler Johnson. Around that level at least. Not quite Danault or Dvorak. But someone who can still provide us with 3 very solid lines.
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I like this for the most part (thought Benn was on the wrong side of 30); agree that Danault will command absurd dollars. The guy isn’t worth more than $5MM to me but may well end up with $7.5MM+.
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Crapping my Pants.
Way overpaid Goodrow.
Didn't get nearly enough back for Buch.
Way overpaid Goodrow.
Didn't get nearly enough back for Buch.
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What?
Florida got a #2 center for a #1 pick and goalie
StLouis got a #1 RW for a 3rd liner and a #2 pick
Rangers got a 3rd liner and #2 pick for their #1 RW who also kills penalties.
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I completely understand “what” Drury is trying to do and “why,” but I question the “how.” I think Buch could’ve gotten a better return, but I like the addition of Blais, and we get a 2nd rounder in a better draft that we can flip for a player. I think the Goodrow contract is too long, but he’s the type of player we didn’t have last year and desperately needed.
I’m very nervous about the center position for that reason. Do we resign Zibanejad? What do we do with Strome? Do we trade for Eichel or someone else? Do we think Chytil is a Top 6 center? Do we even think he’s a center at all? Do we trust Drury to make this decision?
I think the development of Kakko, Kravstov, and Laf is more important than ever, and the front office must think they’re ready for bigger roles. Laf showed it at the end of the season, Kakko played a really good two way game last year, and Kravstov didn’t look out of place in the NHL.
Ask me about the draft in a few years. I would’ve taken Lucius, but after the first few picks it’s a crapshoot and gets even worse in the later rounds.
I’m very nervous about the center position for that reason. Do we resign Zibanejad? What do we do with Strome? Do we trade for Eichel or someone else? Do we think Chytil is a Top 6 center? Do we even think he’s a center at all? Do we trust Drury to make this decision?
I think the development of Kakko, Kravstov, and Laf is more important than ever, and the front office must think they’re ready for bigger roles. Laf showed it at the end of the season, Kakko played a really good two way game last year, and Kravstov didn’t look out of place in the NHL.
Ask me about the draft in a few years. I would’ve taken Lucius, but after the first few picks it’s a crapshoot and gets even worse in the later rounds.
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This part was always the hard part. Rebuilding was pretty straight forward. Switching from rebuilding to competitor is the hard part. That’s when most teams f*** up.
no pressure Drury. Deciding how to fill the top center slot for the next 5 years is a make or break here
no pressure Drury. Deciding how to fill the top center slot for the next 5 years is a make or break here
We used to be very good at getting guys like Cullen, Boyle, betts and prust to round out the bottom 6. We also were solid with our round 4-7 drafting in terms of churning out a solid Hagelin, fast, even a Weise every few seasons. Lately we get guys like Lemiux or Rooney who are just there and are at times negatives. (Do we ever hit on 5th rounders though? Ever?...I just checked. Best we've got is like Horak, Gettinger and hpefuly Pajuniemi breaks the curse and ACTUALLY becomes an NHLer for us)
If Goodrow and Blais are more like Cullen, Boyle and Betts or Prust (in terms of overall positive impact and being worth their contracts while helping us win) then I'm going to be very happy.
If he got butchered on the Buch deal, missed with both Goodrow and Blais...then I'm going to be extremely concerned bc it would mean he failed at his first two things he specifically set out to accomplish AND blew 3.6 over 6 years as well AND got bent over in a trade.
It would also then make me extremely concerned he similarly failed in his evaluation of Othmann though it would be possible Oth still develops fantastically
If Goodrow and Blais are more like Cullen, Boyle and Betts or Prust (in terms of overall positive impact and being worth their contracts while helping us win) then I'm going to be very happy.
If he got butchered on the Buch deal, missed with both Goodrow and Blais...then I'm going to be extremely concerned bc it would mean he failed at his first two things he specifically set out to accomplish AND blew 3.6 over 6 years as well AND got bent over in a trade.
It would also then make me extremely concerned he similarly failed in his evaluation of Othmann though it would be possible Oth still develops fantastically
Jury is still out for me, but trading significant assets for Eichel without doing due diligence regarding his medical records and health would be extremely concerning.
Even doing it WITH that due diligence is extremely concerning given what the Sabres' purported ask is. Our pipeline is nowhere near what it was 1-2 years ago with so many making the NHL squad; giving up 3-4 top assets for one potentially terrific one could set us back several years even if all the health (and perhaps character) fears proved 100% groundless. He couldn't get Buffalo moving in a good direction with an otherwise mediocre team; once we get done giving up enough young top talent to acquire him, we will BE a mediocre team. I don't mind giving a 1st, and I'd reluctantly include Miller... not because I don't fully believe in him (though I do have concerns about his hockey sense developing enough), but because we have ridiculous depth in D prospects, and I'd also include Chytil and Jones in a deal. But no Kakko, no Lafreniere, no Kravtsov and no Lundqvist.
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Yea, I don't love the move but I don't hate it either.
I at least understand it. It's a decision that is as much about ice time as it is about the salary cap.
It's a shrewd type of decision that sometimes just needs to be made. I don't think we'll see any "fleecing" types of deals this summer from Drury. But that could still be okay if we build a more balanced team that can play more consistently against top-tier contenders like the Islanders and Bruins.
So I'm not excited for this summer, but I have an open mind about it.
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So far:
- couple good deals, but very minor trades
- Buch-trade slightly flopped
(edit: - sketchy Goodrow deal)
- ass draft imo.
Free agency next. Regardless of Drury, we are the Rangers and we will find another player to overpay.
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to say this, or if it is even true because is so far back, but I hated the Drury/Gomez years.
Specially their contracts.
Getting more worried of being Torontoed.
- couple good deals, but very minor trades
- Buch-trade slightly flopped
(edit: - sketchy Goodrow deal)
- ass draft imo.
Free agency next. Regardless of Drury, we are the Rangers and we will find another player to overpay.
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to say this, or if it is even true because is so far back, but I hated the Drury/Gomez years.
Specially their contracts.
Getting more worried of being Torontoed.
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Slightly?
Seems to me, that the league factors in the round one was originally drafted in. The Reinharts and Co get 1st rd picks back.
Buch having been a 3rd rounder ... idk. It's done. The show must go on.
Going into free agency tomorrow, I would like to change my vote from “I have a bad feeling about this” to “I am crapping my pants”. Outside of trading Howden for a 4th, all of his moves have been meh (protecting Rooney, signing Nemeth, draft picks) to bad (Goodrow signing) to terrible (trading Buch when he could’ve signed at a reasonable deal).
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Buch is not a reasonable deal when you have a cap issue. I know people don’t see that and only look at the current space yet it’s true. The return isn’t great yet the team is better on ice imo.
